I have a question about the Trees (Light and Water)

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When growing trees the units of water/light that they need during growth are added up, or for each stage you need that amount of units.
For example, for Grapes:
Sprout 1 (21 days) you need 60 to 119 light units and 65 to 119 water units
Sprout 2 (33 days) you need 80 to 119 light units and 80 to 119 water units

The 80 water units that you need for Sprout 2, are they from the moment it becomes sprout 2, or you just need 15 extra unts (supplement to the 65 it already received at sprout 1 level)?
Because I hardly see how you can give it 80 units of water in 33 days... :o
Or, if the units ad up, then you can too easily reach the 119 units limit before they die. I'm confused.

Thanks for your help.
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You can give it all 80 water in one day. Just cause the ground doesn't change colors anymore, doesn't mean the plant isn't getting more water. I do that in my greenhouse all the time. if a plant needs 5 water, and 5 days, I give it all the water the first day. When I planted my trees, I gave them all the water the first day, and let them mature before giving more... Of course, I've had one typhoon and one day of rain in over two months, so i knew they wouldn't get too much.
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Ruse wrote:You can give it all 80 water in one day. Just cause the ground doesn't change colors anymore, doesn't mean the plant isn't getting more water. I do that in my greenhouse all the time. if a plant needs 5 water, and 5 days, I give it all the water the first day. When I planted my trees, I gave them all the water the first day, and let them mature before giving more... Of course, I've had one typhoon and one day of rain in over two months, so i knew they wouldn't get too much.
Ooh!? :o :o I had no idea it works like this... Thanks a lot for the info!
And you had just one day of rain in two months? That's weid, because in spring and autumn I always have like 50-50 rainy/drizzle and sunny/cloudy days... And I'm in summer third year now.
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Yeah, it's been a real PITA... Chelsea, Lily, and Witch Princess all have heart events that require rain, so I haven't been able to do them...

At least I haven't had to feed my chickens in 2 months.
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Trees are tricky and the data for trees on this site is slightly misleading. Let's do Banana as an example.

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             Day   Sun  Water
Seed           9 12- 79  4-19
Sapling        6 20-119  3-19
Small Tree    24 60-119 12-59
Mature 1       3  7- 59  3-19
Mature 2    
Flowering
Fruit-bearing  3  4      2
Just like normal crops, each phase's sun and water point data refers to that phase, it's not cumulative. So for example if you plant a banana tree on spring 1, and by spring 9 there has been no rain, only clear weather, so you water it 4 times, it'll become a sapling the next day on spring 10.

The Mature 1 phase can happen in any season (except winter), not just Spring like the site says. Mature 2 looks exactly the same as Mature 1 (it's the full size tree), but there is no water/sun requirement. Flowering phase must occur in Spring for banana. Fruit-bearing occurs in summer, but only if you've already been through the flowering phase. What this means is if you plant your Banana tree in Spring of Year 2, it will not reach flowering stage that season because there isn't enough time to grow, so you actually won't be able to harvest any bananas until Summer of Year 3. If you wanted fruit in Summer of Year 2, you'd have to plant that Banana tree by mid-Fall of Year 1 at the latest. To bear fruit, the tree needs 4 sun and 2 water every 3 days. And yes you'll get fruit the first day of summer too. Once you have reached Mature 2, you can ignore the trees in terms of sun/water until the fruit-bearing season.

Winter basically just pauses the growth. You can be in any phase, including seeds, winter won't kill the tree. Any weather that happens in winter will not be counted for the current phase of the tree, you just pick up where you left off in Spring.

Remember to have fences in place to prevent storm damage.
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Wow! Thank you SO MUCH, JJ!
That was very helpful! :heart:
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Why are fruit trees so difficult to keep alive?
I am in 4th year Spring but already 5 trees died on me. :?
Any tips on how to take care of them proplerly?
(I do build stone fences whenever they disappear....)

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Sigh.. just had a tree die on me for no reason that I can see... No storms, maximum sun and water points not reached... Is this random?
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I also had a tree randomly die on me. It was an orange tree in the mature (but not in fruit season or flowering season; it was fall) phase, didn't reach 119 sun or water, and that phase doesn't have a maximum amount of days. I even had a gold lumber fence around it. (The fence is still there...) There weren't any storms either. :shock:
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Ok it sounds like you're still going by this site's info on trees, since you mention 119 water for Orange. Don't go by those charts. Read my post again, make sure you aren't confusing the two mature phases (they look identical). For example, in Mature 1 phase Orange trees will die if they reach just 24 water. That's the only explanation I can think of. I haven't had any trees die once they reach Mature 2.
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Ruse wrote:You can give it all 80 water in one day. Just cause the ground doesn't change colors anymore, doesn't mean the plant isn't getting more water. I do that in my greenhouse all the time. if a plant needs 5 water, and 5 days, I give it all the water the first day. When I planted my trees, I gave them all the water the first day, and let them mature before giving more... Of course, I've had one typhoon and one day of rain in over two months, so i knew they wouldn't get too much.
Well that answers the mystery between my onions growing all wonky (watering can with yellow wonderful). If I only knew of this sooner, I might be able to squeeze in another harvest.

I'll definitely keep an eye out on the trees' sprout stages, water points, and its flowering season.
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JungleJim wrote:Ok it sounds like you're still going by this site's info on trees, since you mention 119 water for Orange. Don't go by those charts. Read my post again, make sure you aren't confusing the two mature phases (they look identical). For example, in Mature 1 phase Orange trees will die if they reach just 24 water. That's the only explanation I can think of. I haven't had any trees die once they reach Mature 2.
Seems like site info is wrong? Will somebody please put up the correct info? Thank you. :(
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I already put the correct info for Bananas above. You can easily extrapolate for the other types of trees using the site's information.
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On this page: http://fogu.com/hm8/index.php under "Changes from Island Of Happiness" it's clearly stated that:

Sun points now count on cloudy days and you can only, at most, give your crops 2 water points per day

So how can you give 80 points of water (minimum for grapes Sprout 2) in one single day? How can you give that amount of water even in 33 days???
Something is wrong.
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Gosalyne wrote:you can only, at most, give your crops 2 water points per day
I knew it! I couldn't find where I read the info so I didn't say anything but I knew it, damnit! XD