How to get Wonderfuls during Winter

[vteam]

To JungleJim and UnlimitedKW:

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Oh wise Ones,

Please accept this offering of tomatoes, corn, pumpkins, and a cow!
Make the weather in my village be lenient, my crops proseperous, and my children healthy!

ROFLOL... I haven't laughed this hard for a while. Thx, you've made my day.

Srsly tho, whenever Kuugen and JJ discussed something, I PROBABLY understand about half of what's said.

[Gosalyne]

This was a very useful topic, anyway.
Thanks guys!

[Guest]

i) Since the usage of tools gives +1 other degree, the easiest way to influence your degree is via shipping items if the number of your other degree is even ( 02, 04, 06, etc )
j) if the number is uneven, use your hoe once inside your house and repeat the try and error with shipping as that does not influence other degree unless you ship uncategorized items like weed, lumber, stone, etc

I thought this sounded like a great idea, but it doesn't appear to be working for me the way I thought it would. Maybe I'm just confused?

So, here is what happens. I save my game before midnight. Then I ship 16 weeds and go to bed. This causes Chen to have an orange wonderful in the shop.

However, when I reload, none of the following scenarios causes an orange wonderful to show up in the shop (some of them I didn't expect to work, I just wanted to be thorough):
--Ship 66 weeds (50+16)
--Ship 41 weeds (25+16)
--Use fishing rod inside house once and ship 15 weeds
--Use fishing rod inside house twice and ship 15 weeds
--Use fishing rod inside house four times and ship 15 weeds
--Use fishing rod inside house 16 times
--Use fishing rod inside the house 32 times (this required eating some herbs from the fridge, but I don't think that gives you any points)
--Use fishing rod inside the house 64 times (with more herbs from the fridge)
--Use axe (no wonderfuls on it) inside house once and ship 15 weeds
--Use axe inside house twice and ship 15 weeds
--Use axe inside house four times and ship 15 weeds
--Use axe inside house 16 times
--Use axe inside the house 32 times (with herbs from the fridge)

After all this, I tried shipping the 16 weeds again and it still worked.

I'm just in the first year, title Baron Veg Lv48 (BTW, is it possible that your title tells you which degree is highest, e.g. in my case Veg=the crops degree?), and if anything has multipliers, it certainly won't be fishing, as I've only caught about 3 or 4 medium fish. (Not that it matters as I was using the fishing rod in my house, not in the water, but just to cover all of the bases.)

Unfortunately, it's not the orange one I want this time (I already have three); I'm trying to get to red. The reason I was looking into it is that I've now tried shipping up to 50 weeds and haven't seen the red, only the orange and a yellow. But I don't want to save anything in my game that would make it impossible to get the orange (or possibly the yellow) in case the red never does show up.

Any thoughts on why this might be happening this way would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Guest]

(BTW, is it possible that your title tells you which degree is highest, e.g. in my case Veg=the crops degree?)

Me again, sorry, I just saw the post when it was explained about the titles. I must be playing too much HM if I am now guessing right about obscure details of the game.

The main question still stands, though.

[Unlimited Kuugen Works]

Ok, lets say 16 weeds causes a orange wonderful to appear
that means, your current points is
Cooking = X
Other = X-32
Thus, to make the orange wonderful appear, you'd need to reach +16 other degree.
A red wonderful needs crop / other match, and your crop points is Y, which is Unknown

Now going with your first example

shipping 66. 50 weeds relates to 100 points. 16 more to 32
that brings us up
Other = X
Cooking = X
Now the question is, why does a orange wonderful not show up? Answer: Mystery. I would have to test this, which I cannot right now.

second example

shipping 41. 41 weeds are 82 points, since your rank is veg, meaning your crop degree is the highest
82 points concludes to

Other = X+49
Cooking = X

Obvious.

Rest:
Tool use = 1 point
Ship a weed = 2 points
Alone from that it is obvious that
1 + 30 is not 32
2 + 30 should be 32 but here I am not sure why it refuses to work.
3 + 30 is 33
16 is 16, not 32
32 is 32, but eating herbs might influence the score. I cannot test this right now
64 is 64 and not 32

also keep in mind that shipping is +2 points
thus, even if you ship 50 herbs
if your desired X is a uneven number and your current number is even, you CANNOT get to that number without first using a +1 point.
basically, it's testing 50 weeds, then it's use any tool once, and test 50 weeds
if there is still no result, then something else causes a shift in your points.

I will get my game / save game back next week and I can start testing again.

[Spritedriver]

That is quite strange Gosalyne. In an effort to help with your situation, I tested to see if any methods I did would not get me a Red Wonderful. Current I only need +3 Other points to get a Red to appear so...

Crops = X
Other = X-3

Now without any alterations from anything and not eating anything, I used a tool thrice(+3) and got it to appear. I've also tested picking up a weed (+2) and tool once (+1) to get it to also appear.
Then I shipped one weed (+2) and used a tool once(+1) and again had a red wonderful appear.
Furthermore, I have eaten three indigo herbs and used a tool thrice(+3) to still find a Red Wonderful in the shop. So in short I am unsure what is causing your Orange Wonderful dilemma either.

Also it was posted in another topic that once you get to the Knight degree level, your highest degree category is shown via an abbreviation. In your case, yes your Crop degree is highest hence the Veg. Copy pasting from JungleJim's topic...they are in total:

Veg = Crop is highest
Anml = Animal is highest
Minl = Mining is highest
Fish = Fishing is highest
Cook = Cooking is highest
Rnch = Other is highest

[Merridwyn]

Rest:
Tool use = 1 point
Ship a weed = 2 points
Alone from that it is obvious that
1 + 30 is not 32
2 + 30 should be 32 but here I am not sure why it refuses to work.
3 + 30 is 33
16 is 16, not 32
32 is 32, but eating herbs might influence the score. I cannot test this right now
64 is 64 and not 32

also keep in mind that shipping is +2 points
thus, even if you ship 50 herbs
if your desired X is a uneven number and your current number is even, you CANNOT get to that number without first using a +1 point.
basically, it's testing 50 weeds, then it's use any tool once, and test 50 weeds
if there is still no result, then something else causes a shift in your points.

Thanks for the reply! I did say that I hadn't expected all of the situations to work, but I was getting desperate and just trying anything.

Also I didn't see the post about how to tell which degree was highest until after my first post.

I've tried a couple more things now, relevant being that if I switch to the axe but don't use it, and then get some herbs out of the fridge and eat one and then ship 16 weeds, the orange does show up.

I understand about performing the +1 action in case one score is even and one score odd. I just ran a check first (use tool twice and then ship 15 herbs) to make sure that if I used a tool and then saved the game, I could still get to the orange in case the red never showed up. That's when I saw the problem for the first time. I don't want to burn my bridges.

Thanks!

[Merridwyn]

That is quite strange Gosalyne.

I'm not Gosalyne, I'm new. I had typed in a user name but the system erased my user name between previewing and submitting. I've figured it out now.

In an effort to help with your situation, I tested to see if any methods I did would not get me a Red Wonderful. Current I only need +3 Other points to get a Red to appear so...

Crops = X
Other = X-3

Now without any alterations from anything and not eating anything, I used a tool thrice(+3) and got it to appear. I've also tested picking up a weed (+2) and tool once (+1) to get it to also appear.
Then I shipped one weed (+2) and used a tool once(+1) and again had a red wonderful appear.
Furthermore, I have eaten three indigo herbs and used a tool thrice(+3) to still find a Red Wonderful in the shop. So in short I am unsure what is causing your Orange Wonderful dilemma either.

Yes, all of this is what I would have expected from the other posts. Thank you for the practical example so I see I was understanding it right. But it isn't what is happening for me.

Also it was posted in another topic that once you get to the Knight degree level, your highest degree category is shown via an abbreviation.

Yes I saw that after my first post. Although I was beginning to wonder after trying all that stuff unsuccessfully, whether "Veg" might not be a good description of my mental state instead.

Thanks for looking into it!

[Spritedriver]

My bad Merridwyn, I think I got your posts mixed up when I was typing it up and did not realize my mistake. I understand how you don't want to burn your bridges when it comes to looking for stones since I'm in a similar boat.

Its my first Winter but I desperately want an Orange Wonderful first so I can start getting my lumber for an incubator and a 4th feeder so I can get 3 chickens for keeps and a 4th to sell. Then there is the barn and house upgrades along with bridges... @.@

In the meantime I still need a Red for the can and two greens for a hoe so I can safely dig to all the stairs instead of using the risky holes. Thankfully I saved up 40k from Fall. I wish us both luck in our pursuits!

[Merridwyn]

Ok, lets say 16 weeds causes a orange wonderful to appear
that means, your current points is
Cooking = X
Other = X-32
Thus, to make the orange wonderful appear, you'd need to reach +16 other degree.
A red wonderful needs crop / other match, and your crop points is Y, which is Unknown

I found the answer (sort of). Shipping weeds does NOT get me two points. It gets me three. I don't know why.

I hadn't tried using the tool three times and then shipping 15 weeds, I only tried 1, 2, and 4. But when I found that using a tool once and then shipping 49 weeds also got me an orange wonderful, I did the math and realized that shipping was getting me three points. (who says algebra isn't useful outside school? ) Then I tried using a tool three times and then shipping 15 weeds, and the orange wonderful showed up. So my other score is X-48, and at least for me, the proper procedure is:

- Try once with no shipping or anything
- Ship 1-33 weeds
- use tool once and ship 1-33 weeds
- use tool twice and ship 1-33 weeds

Apparently there is some unknown multiplier at work here... but I (working with the normal COTS game cartridge) will never figure out what. The important thing for me is figuring out what to DO, and I think I have that. If anyone else can figure out WHY it is doing that it would be interesting and probably helpful to others.

Thanks!

[Merridwyn]

So my other score is X-48, and at least for me, the proper procedure is:

- Try once with no shipping or anything
- Ship 1-33 weeds
- use tool once and ship 1-33 weeds
- use tool twice and ship 1-33 weeds

I am an idiot. Actually, all I have to do is ship 1-99 weeds. Doesn't work if the multiplier is 2, 4, 5, etc., but works just fine if it is 3. 68 weeds = 201, 35 weeds = 102, 1 weed = 003, 69 weeds = 204, 36 weeds is 105 etc.

Thanks again!

[Unlimited Kuugen Works]

I cannot confirm the 3 as opposed to 2 points, and i highly doubt it, but I will look it up once I can continue testing

[aduntoridas]

hey ,, i try get the indigo wonderfull ,, but it dont work
and ,, i dont understand ,, in the first page say

indigo = animal / cooking

but ,, when i do all the steps ,, it dont works

i used the axe ,, mistake ,, nothing ,, green , red, blue , orange , yellow ,,,, indigo and purple nothing

i used the brush ,, green , red, blue , orange , yellow ,,,, indigo and purple nothing

aarrrrggggg it take 52 minutes ,, from 1 single brush to 102 brush

what i do wrong ,,, when pass the 102 ,, repet the process ,, green , red, blue , orange , yellow

indigo ... where are it ,,, and the purple

thanks for you help

[Spritedriver]

Thats because you're raising your OTHER degree with your tools. To get an indigo wonderful you need to work on raising ANIMAL and COOKING degrees. These two are a bit hard to manipulate since the former has a limited number of actions each day, while the latter is dependent on recipe ingredients which you may or may not have a lot of.

[aduntoridas]

but if i do soup egg ,, and mathching with the animal ,, it must work ,, ¿no? ,, ummm i lost my time???

why it dont say me before ..

thanks