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^ I really want to see Celka's wedding outfit. Most people don't like him but he's one of my favourite bachelors. I have a thing for butlers ;D

Taniyama Mai wrote:

EphemeralClemency wrote:Mai, I think that the reason some people aren't interested in him is based solely on their personal preferences. His design probably doesn't appeal to them as much. I understand that you said you wanted to know why, so I will tell you my reasoning (this is my opinion only)--I think that he is a bit too feminine for my taste, and when I say that, I mean his features are quite soft, and I'm not much into braids. I don't dislike him as a character. I'm only not interested in him as a marriage candidate. As for his personality, I think a lot people go for the grouchier or crazier characters because they are more interested in those, so when they say his personality is boring they probably only mean that he seems relatively normal--you know, nothing too out of the box--aside from his being a butler and very formal--mostly a nice guy. I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but that isn't everyone's preference. Opinions are what they are--opinions--not facts. Everyone has one, and everyone's is right and specific to them as person. Mine and yours included. I'm sure nobody meant any harm in what they said on the other thread. As for the submissive thing--that is purely speculation which has happened with all of the characters at one point or another. People base what they see in their looks and/or occupation, and try to guess characters personalities. I'm sure the only reason that it hasn't been cleared up yet is because there isn't much dialogue out on him yet. I think that we need to be respectful of each others opinions as well. People are usually pretty friendly here, and there's not much reason to take up arms over differing views. I honestly don't mean anything bad by this. I really don't. I do understand where you're coming from, but since this is about other people's opinions, I doubt that much is going to change their mind unless they choose to change it themselves.

On a side note and back on topic, I am looking forward to seeing Celka's wedding photo and CG. I want to see if his hair will be different in the wedding photo since Amir's, Rod's, and Neil's was.

That's a bit different than what I've been seeing. People are calling him weak, a doormat, and creepy among other things. They've been doing the same thing to Sengoku too. And just cause it's their opinion, I don't think it's "right". If so, then everyone who bullies kids cause they're nerdy, or « lame turnip », or ugly,(cause saying someone is ugly is their opinion and therefor "right" and a perfectly good reason to talk down to someone, character or not.) If people didn't mind him, why is he being left out of a lot of group art? I've been on Pixiv and a lot of the pics with all the boys are missing him. Explain that to me, if people simply 'don't care for him'.
I don't mind people being respectful and saying why they don't like a character, but when people lose that respect and start treating a character like that, it shows just how they treat other people irl. The way you described not liking him is fine, that was respectful. The way people talked of Sengoku and Celka was anything but. And no, people on here aren't usually friendly. I made an account once before, and when I asked a question that I guess someone saw as stupid they lashed out at me, and then everyone else in the thread ganged up on me. I left for 4 years and finally wanted to give it another shot and made a new account.(and I see most of the people I knew are long gone) I don't want to change their minds per se, I just wish they'd stop comparing them to Carter and Griffin...they're not that old or creepy! Hell, even Carter and Griffin aren't as creepy as they make them sound!@.e


As do I. I'm just dying to see them. Celka and Amir are my favs and having so little on them makes me sad.

Just as you said, he's a character. In a video game. I really like Celka, hell, I'm even going to marry him, but just because someone has a bad opinion of him doesn't make him/her a "bully". And I'm sorry someone was mean to you four years ago, but that doesn't mean that people on here are unfriendly. How someone relates to a fictional character has little bearing on how they treat someone in real life. I guess what I'm saying is, even though I like Celka, it doesn't really bother me that people DON'T like him because he's not a real person. He probably WON'T have a well-rounded character because HM characters have a history of having one defining characteristic and that's it. Laney and Pierre liked cooking. Kana and Georgia liked horses. Neil is the traditional hard-on-the-outside, soft-on-the-inside type of guy. So, can we please drop this? No one is being a bully. No one is trying to gang up on anyone else. People have their opinions. Celka is FICTIONAL. Let's stay on topic.

OK, let's slow down a little, shall we? Comparing people to bullies in school who pick on and beat up kids for stupid reasons to someone who stated an opinion about a video game character is a bit over-dramatic, blown way out of proportion, and offensive to the people who post here. You don't agree that that is a bit much to assume about people that you hardly know. I mean, by that logic, any one who dislikes someone for whatever reason is a bully. I'm not trying to be mean, I just think that this is a bit much to say about people you don't know well.

As for the fan art thing, he's probably not that popular in Japan, and so not many people are drawing him. I, once again, don't think that that makes them bullies.

As for the people who said that and the topic it was posted in--I've never seen it.

People on ARE usually friendly. I honestly don't run into many arguments on here. However, I am sorry that that happened to you.

Back on topic, I quite like Amir as well. He's my second favorite bachelor. We should see Celka's wedding photo and CG soon, I would think. I, also, have a pretty decent fanart of Celka if you would like me to post it, although you might have already seen it.

Aw man, I feel like we're ganging up on them, I feel a little bad X'D

Celka is tied for second with Amir for my favourite bachelors (Neil is first). Why doesn't anyone post Celka's outfit DX!? Butler's need love too! Do you guys think he will have a tux or an outift somewhat similar (not as regal) to Amir's. I kind of want to see him in a tux.

Yea, I know. I do feel bad, but I don't think we are bullies for having different opinions.

Hmm, he'll probably have a tux because I think all the guys have had the same with the exception of Amir. It's too bad, too. I would've liked to see Sengoku, Iroha, and Celka in more traditional Japanese and or Indian wedding clothing. Well, at least Amir is wearing a more fitting outfit. XD

I'm pretty sure that Celka is going to be wearing a tux.

The only reason Amir didn't is probably because:
1) He's a prince so the outfit could technically be royal.
and 2) He's a special bachelor. Both him and the WP have different wedding outfit when compared to the normal canditates.

Honestly, I'd rather have Celka wear a tux. Well, that and have his hair down >W<

XxWizardxMollyxX14 wrote:^

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Not trying to sound like a know it all but I have been taking psychology for years now and have always had great interest in humans and to add to that, my mom is a child psychiatrist and I have asked her about this stuff myself. To say that people act the same way towards characters of a game reflects how they act in real life is a great and horrible mistake that many people not educated in the field will probably make. In fact , it's quite the opposite. Because most people hold back how they treat people in real life they will take what they have held back in real life and direct it towards the characters. Although a character or game may influence people, it's because of this bond people make with the characters that allows them to make judgments on them as if they were real people. Trust me, I'm a doctor (lololol, just kidding on the last thing) Once again I'm not trying to sound like a know it all but I thought that I should just point this out DX Although, through and through, I agree with most all of your other claims that aren't based off of the above.

I really want to see Celka's wedding outfit. Most people don't like him but he's one of my favourite bachelors. I have a thing for butlers ;D

People hold back how they feel about real people? Where? I'd LOVE to move there! People in the south(America) NEVER hold back how they feel about people. You could at least say that people treat characters how they WANT to treat real people. Which can be just as bad. I have to ask though where you got that.


Same here. He's my fav and I also have a thing for butlers~ And long hair, and white hair, and sweet guys. He's the best guy for me in all of the HM guys so-far<3

Anonymous Fish wrote: Just as you said, he's a character. In a video game. I really like Celka, hell, I'm even going to marry him, but just because someone has a bad opinion of him doesn't make him/her a "bully". And I'm sorry someone was mean to you four years ago, but that doesn't mean that people on here are unfriendly. How someone relates to a fictional character has little bearing on how they treat someone in real life. I guess what I'm saying is, even though I like Celka, it doesn't really bother me that people DON'T like him because he's not a real person. He probably WON'T have a well-rounded character because HM characters have a history of having one defining characteristic and that's it. Laney and Pierre liked cooking. Kana and Georgia liked horses. Neil is the traditional hard-on-the-outside, soft-on-the-inside type of guy. So, can we please drop this? No one is being a bully. No one is trying to gang up on anyone else. People have their opinions. Celka is FICTIONAL. Let's stay on topic.

you obviously haven't seen some of the posts I have. It's not all here ether. And there are more bullies all over than you think. And you don't sound sorry in the slightest.(it also wasn't just 'mean'. No one wanted to talk to me, and when they did, it was very rude and angry, and I was getting harassing PMs all the time until I finally left. If that's not 'unfriendly' I don't know what is.) I don't mind people not liking him. But talking about him and Sengoku like they're creepy pedos is a bit extreme.(they actually compaired him to some guy from family guy with a really high voice who I don't remember the name of)
And actually, a lot of the characters this time around seem to have really well made personalities. Go read the dialog thread. and if you really wanted to end this, you shouldn't have added all that. Giving me so much to reply to doesn't help that

man this is getting long. Ya'll gotta slow down so I don't have to reply all in one post

EphemeralClemency wrote:OK, let's slow down a little, shall we? Comparing people to bullies in school who pick on and beat up kids for stupid reasons to someone who stated an opinion about a video game character is a bit over-dramatic, blown way out of proportion, and offensive to the people who post here. You don't agree that that is a bit much to assume about people that you hardly know. I mean, by that logic, any one who dislikes someone for whatever reason is a bully. I'm not trying to be mean, I just think that this is a bit much to say about people you don't know well.

As for the fan art thing, he's probably not that popular in Japan, and so not many people are drawing him. I, once again, don't think that that makes them bullies.

As for the people who said that and the topic it was posted in--I've never seen it.

People on ARE usually friendly. I honestly don't run into many arguments on here. However, I am sorry that that happened to you.

Back on topic, I quite like Amir as well. He's my second favorite bachelor. We should see Celka's wedding photo and CG soon, I would think. I, also, have a pretty decent fanart of Celka if you would like me to post it, although you might have already seen it.

I was comparing the way they were talking about him to the way bullies talk to others. I never said disliking someone makes you a bully, but how you go about it. read the rest of this to see what I mean.

Yes, I know. Reading many surveys about what women want in a man, Celka would be the least liked. He'd most likely be lumped in with creepy otaku. And I didn't call the artist bullies-_- Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

I think the topic died and got pushed back. It should be in here somewhere if it hasn't been deleted yet.

meh. Not that I've seen. This place seems like most forums that's 50/50. and seeing people who I thought were my friends send me such horrid things tells me how people on here really are.

I'd love to see it. I've only seen about 5 pics of Pixiv so-far so I doubt I've seen it yet.

XxWizardxMollyxX14 wrote:Aw man, I feel like we're ganging up on them, I feel a little bad X'D

Amir is tied for second with Amir for my favourite bachelors (Neil is first). Why doesn't anyone post Celka's outfit DX!? Butler's need love too! Do you guys think he will have a tux or an outift somewhat similar (not as regal) to Amir's. I kind of want to see him in a tux.

Amir is tied with himself? LOL. but thank you. I agree :3 I think he'll prolly end up with a normal tux. WP and Amir are the 'special' ones so they got something special. Though I hope Celka being with Amir he'd get something special.

PEOPLE! I can't post when you keep beating me too it! DX And I did not say everyone who doesn't like him is a bully. Now who's being oversensitive?-_-

XxWizardxMollyxX14 wrote:Aw man, I feel like we're ganging up on them, I feel a little bad X'D

Amir is tied for second with Amir for my favourite bachelors (Neil is first). Why doesn't anyone post Celka's outfit DX!? Butler's need love too! Do you guys think he will have a tux or an outift somewhat similar (not as regal) to Amir's. I kind of want to see him in a tux.

I think he'll have a tux. Amir and WP are the two special candidates so they get something different in comparison to the rest of the cast.

Oops, I meant Celka *faceaplm* XD

I got this information from textbooks, books, documentaries, tests (not school tests, government run tests)my Pyschology teachers, University proffessors, attending my classes and my mom. Also, it does depend on where you live, but this is general information that applies most NA/ and quite a bit of Europe, there's so many places that I could mention but never mention all of them without taking a lot of time. Maybe I should have been more specific? I guess you could also say 'that's how people want to treat people' but that's pretty much what I said/meant (I know, my words don't come out right sometimes *hangs head*).

XxWizardxMollyxX14 wrote:Oops, I meant Celka *faceaplm* XD

I got this information from textbooks, books, documentaries, tests (not school tests, government run tests)my Pyschology teachers, University proffessors, attending my classes and my mom. Also, it does depend on where you live, but this is general information that applies most NA/ and quite a bit of Europe, there's so many places that I could mention but never mention all of them without taking a lot of time. Maybe I should have been more specific? I guess you could also say 'that's how people want to treat people' but that's pretty much what I said/meant (I know, my words don't come out right sometimes *hangs head*).

Ah. The way you quoted it made me think ether someone else posted it here and I missed it, or someone posted it somewhere else or something. But still, I don't know many people who hold back what they want to say about someone or how they feel about someone(and I've lived all over the US. Never lived in one place longer than 3 years) The people who do hold back, also hold back when they say they don't like a character cause they're scared they'll offend someone(or if they do, they add many times 'I don't hate him/her, this is just how I feel, he's/she's just not my thing' ext. and hey, don't feel bad! I actually have a disability that causes me to do the same thing TT~TT Stuff always comes out wrong and I almost never make sense ;~; And then everyone gets mad at me and yells at me╥︵╥

Celka's probably not in a lot of arts probably because he's kinda hard to draw. Braids aren't something you normally see in a lot of character creations, let alone a guy at that. His age is probably another factor since many people tend to draw those who are of younger age range (teen to early twenties), or people in their middle age. He seems to be in late twenties.

Personality wise, I'm sure people in Japan prefer those who are more of a rebellious nature, and so are people in the US when it comes to fictional characters. I mean, why do popular series always have a problem student be the hero of the story? Why does the rival always turns out to be a misunderstood person with some horrible past? Etc. It's something that many people can relate to irl, that's why (I'm sure many would agree that there's more bad apples out there irl than there is with good apples). It is natural for a teen to feel they are not being seen as to who they are, so they have a closer bond to these sort of characters. For those who are generally good, I can understand why they'd be attracted to kind characters. Genuinely kind folks are few and far in-between these times of age.

@Taniyama Mai
I don't think it's that people necessarily dislike Celka, I think it's more like there's only two save slots in the game, so they're trying to be critical and objective and narrow down their choices. For example, I love him! His temperament and personality, from what I have seen so far, really appeal to me, and if this were real life, I'd most definitely choose him as a boyfriend over all the other bachelors, 100%. That being said, I'm probably not going to pursue him in the game, because his personality isn't very interesting to me, because it's very similar to the other bachelors in the previous games that I've married. Some of the other bachelors bring new and interesting twists, such as Allen, who kind of treats you like dirt but then proclaims his undying devotion to you, and Yuri, who starts off incredibly shy but then does all these little things to show that she truly loves you. I think people are just having a hard time deciding who to go for, and who would be most interesting and able to keep their attention long enough to get married, have a child, etc. etc. I agree with you that the whole 'submissive' thing makes no sense, because how can that be assumed just by looking at him? I personally don't see that at all, because who you are in your job doesn't equate who you are in real life (or in this case, the rest of the game XD). So for that I definitely agree with you that some people are maybe being too rash in their judgments. But in terms of the fan art...I mean, it takes time and energy to draw something, so most people usually save that for the characters they really like. When I was younger, I was really obsessed with sailor moon and I constantly drew the sailor scouts. However, I just didn't like Sailor Mercury or Jupiter very much, so I drew them significantly less. It's not because I hated them or thought they were "weak" characters or anything, they just didn't appeal to me as much. I'm not saying what you're thinking is wrong, in fact, I agree with you to an extent, I just think you're blowing some things a little out of proportion.

Back on topic, if nobody posts the CG of Amir until the US release (unlikely, but..), I'll put it up as soon as I can. I'm planning on going for Amir first, since he's my favourite.

Taniyama Mai wrote:And just cause it's their opinion, I don't think it's "right". If so, then everyone who bullies kids cause they're nerdy, or gay, or ugly,(cause saying someone is ugly is their opinion and therefor "right" and a perfectly good reason to talk down to someone, character or not.) If people didn't mind him, why is he being left out of a lot of group art? I've been on Pixiv and a lot of the pics with all the boys are missing him. Explain that to me, if people simply 'don't care for him'.

Umm, but that's the way you came across when you said those things. I don't feel like I was putting words in your mouth, but that you didn't explain yourself well enough. It doesn't matter anyway because I'm not continuing this conversation because it doesn't belong in this topic anyhow.

EphemeralClemency wrote:text

You killed me with Celka fanart. Amir's girl over here is not happy right now.

Oh, who would you like fanart of? Mai asked for Celka. That's why it's mostly Celka.