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Cassik wrote: But it isn't Gamecube is worth a measly 10 dollars while Ps2 is still holding at an impressive 130 dollars for a reason...You can't fight the sales numbers.

Your logic is infallible. Clearly the more expensive choice is always the better one, right?

When looking at electronics that's almost never the case. I think a great example is the Apple iPod. That thing is incredibly popular and quite expensive, but there are far more capable hard drive-based MP3 players out there for far less money. My point is simply that the more expensive and/or more popular product is usually not the best choice.

If what your saying is true then Gamecube would be worth 130 bucks and Ps2 worth 10... But it isn't Gamecube is worth a measly 10 dollars while Ps2 is still holding at an impressive 130 dollars for a reason, it has better games, Larger game disc's for a reason, they can hold more data (DVD 4.7 gigs) than the G-disc. You can't fight the sales numbers.

The Neo Geo costs more money than the Sega 32x, does that mean the 32x was less powerful? No it doesn't. Price doesn't mean a thing. The Sega Saturn also costs more than the PS1 yet it was a less powerful machine. Do you know why?

One of the reason why the PS2 costs more is because there's an extra useless function. The DVD player. The GC doesn't have such a pointless hardware added onto it, that's why it can afford to sell at a lower price. As technology becomes better, things become easier/cheaper to make. But, once again, the PS2 has a useless add-on DVD player to worry about. No matter how cheap, it's still costs money to make it. Sony has to sell their hardware at a lost. Nintendo can reduce price and still gain profits. Sony can lower the price all the way down to the GC's level, but at the same time, the company would be losing a massive amount of money. Nintendo on the other hand won't lose money.

Now about fighting sales numbers, that's something you can debate on. The PS2 does have impressive numbers and no Xbox or GC owner will deny that. Where are these numbers coming from though? Apparently, the trash bin. PS2 break down very easily. Many people had to buy 2 or even 3 PS2s to replace their broken system. Especially in Japan. People in Japan don't repair broken things, they just throw it away and buy new ones.

Also, the Sony has been sued successfully for making shody PS2s. Here's the link to the case http://www.sheller.com/Practice.asp?PracticeID=109

Here's consumer affairs dealing with the PS2 problem http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news03/playstation.html

While I admit that the PS2 still has more owners, the numbers can't be truely calculated due to the amount of PS2s in the trash dump.

Great games, that's just your opinion. I can't find anything on the PS2 that interests me outside of Romance Of The 3 Kingdoms X(which I can get on PC anyway). You might not find anything worth playing on the GC either.

Now then, DVDs, another laughable arguement. Does great games need to be on a huge storage media? Are you old enough to remember the Sega CD or 3DO(even Turbo Duo?)? They had CD systems that holds 650 megabytes. They are competing against the Super Nintendo and Genesis. The biggest SNES game back then went as high as 6 megabytes, with Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean. If we go by your logic again, then shouldn't the Sega CD, 3DO, and hell, even Jaguar CD killed the SNES and Genesis? Afterall, it's 650 MB Vs 6 MB. With only 2 games that ever reach 6 MB.

Lets have a simple lesson in Supply and Demand once again. The Ps2 is in higher demand than the Gamecube so the price is higher. Gamecube is worthless piece of junk when it comes to extra features, thats why most people go with Ps2 here's what I thought (Hmmm, A game system that can do more than just play games That's freaking awesome). Gamecube is an underworked piece of junk that can't get sales even if it dropped it's price to 3 dollars. Nobody wants a Gamecube anymore because it's games suck, it's design sucks, it has no extra features, it can't play DVD's It can't be converted into a PC, it doesn't have a Hard drive, It has virtually no online play, Hell the Dreamcast had online play. The Ps2 is worth more because it can do more. Out of all the people I know, their Ps2's have never had problems running DVD's. The worst I have seen is the early model Ps2's having plastic pieces, but they came out with a better model and had people trade their Ps2's in for a newer model. Bam here's a poll from X-play a show all about video games.

'X-PLAY' POLL
What platformer are you?

Xbox
31%

PS2
38%

GameCube
16%

PC
13%

http://www.g4techtv.com/xplay/index.html

Ok, this is getting dumber and dumber.

Lets have a simple lesson in Supply and Demand once again. The Ps2 is in higher demand than the Gamecube so the price is higher. Gamecube is worthless piece of junk when it comes to extra features, thats why most people go with Ps2 here's what I thought (Hmmm, A game system that can do more than just play games That's freaking awesome). Gamecube is an underworked piece of junk that can't get sales even if it dropped it's price to 3 dollars.

The demand for a new PS2 because the damn thing breaks down. Extra features for a DVD player!? The DVD player is « Puppy Doodoo » and it break down easily. Did you even read the links I gave you? A DVD player, raise your hand if you don't have a DVD player in your home. The DVD player is a pointless feature that you have to pay extra money for. Most people own at least one DVD player in their homes, why in gods name would you want to pay extra money for something you already own? If what you're saying about the PS2 is true, then wouldn't that mean that the system has no good games and that people are buying it for the extra features and NOT the games?

That's right, you can't really prove your case unless you twist things around as I recall. Where's your info that the GC isn't selling after a price drop? I'm gonna have to do some digging but this is kinda old news, I'll give you the results tomorrow. Their price drop help sales sky rocket.

Nobody wants a Gamecube anymore because it's games suck, it's design sucks, it has no extra features, it can't play DVD's It can't be converted into a PC, it doesn't have a Hard drive, It has virtually no online play, Hell the Dreamcast had online play.

Again, your arguement is laughable. Extra features, as I recall, the 3DO had extra features. The ability to watch movies on CDs. View picture CDs Play music, and probably some other junk that I forgot. Do you see the 3DO on the top of the gaming world? What does extra features prove? That people buy PS2 for extra features cause it has no good games?

Have you heard about the PSX in japan? It's a special model of the PS2 released only in japan and it includes all kinds of extra features in the system. I don't recall the exact features but I will tell you that system had TONS of great bonuse things that came with it. Guess what? Do you know why it's not coming out in America? The thing flopped big time in japan.

Online play? The Dreamcast had online play, and that system is such a success. Oh yeah, the Sega Saturn also had online play, look at what a success that system was. Hey, guess what? The SNES and Genesis had online play, and look how big of a success that was. You remember X-band? That came out for the SNES and Genesis back in 1994.

http://www.snackbar-games.com/downloads/cubegone.wmv

http://www.rbc-youth.us/personal/webofdestruction.wmv

Watch those videos and see your "underwork piece junk" is the last system standing during a brutal test.

The X-play poll, yeah whatever. X-play is a biased show. Now unbiased polls can usually be found on gamefaqs's main site. Just a few weeks ago they had the poll and GC was still in second. The reason I point out gamefaqs is because all gamers visit the site, and the site itself is NOT meant to cover video games. It's not a news site, not an info site. It doesn't crater towards just some people, it's a site all gamers can use. It's not IGN, or X-play, or Gamespot.

Terranigma Freak wrote:Ok, this is getting dumber and dumber.

Lets have a simple lesson in Supply and Demand once again. The Ps2 is in higher demand than the Gamecube so the price is higher. Gamecube is worthless piece of junk when it comes to extra features, thats why most people go with Ps2 here's what I thought (Hmmm, A game system that can do more than just play games That's freaking awesome). Gamecube is an underworked piece of junk that can't get sales even if it dropped it's price to 3 dollars.

The demand for a new PS2 because the damn thing breaks down. Extra features for a DVD player!? The DVD player is « Puppy Doodoo » and it break down easily. Did you even read the links I gave you? A DVD player, raise your hand if you don't have a DVD player in your home. The DVD player is a pointless feature that you have to pay extra money for. Most people own at least one DVD player in their homes, why in gods name would you want to pay extra money for something you already own? If what you're saying about the PS2 is true, then wouldn't that mean that the system has no good games and that people are buying it for the extra features and NOT the games?

That's right, you can't really prove your case unless you twist things around as I recall. Where's your info that the GC isn't selling after a price drop? I'm gonna have to do some digging but this is kinda old news, I'll give you the results tomorrow. Their price drop help sales sky rocket.

Nobody wants a Gamecube anymore because it's games suck, it's design sucks, it has no extra features, it can't play DVD's It can't be converted into a PC, it doesn't have a Hard drive, It has virtually no online play, Hell the Dreamcast had online play.

Again, your arguement is laughable. Extra features, as I recall, the 3DO had extra features. The ability to watch movies on CDs. View picture CDs Play music, and probably some other junk that I forgot. Do you see the 3DO on the top of the gaming world? What does extra features prove? That people buy PS2 for extra features cause it has no good games?

Have you heard about the PSX in japan? It's a special model of the PS2 released only in japan and it includes all kinds of extra features in the system. I don't recall the exact features but I will tell you that system had TONS of great bonuse things that came with it. Guess what? Do you know why it's not coming out in America? The thing flopped big time in japan.

Online play? The Dreamcast had online play, and that system is such a success. Oh yeah, the Sega Saturn also had online play, look at what a success that system was. Hey, guess what? The SNES and Genesis had online play, and look how big of a success that was. You remember X-band? That came out for the SNES and Genesis back in 1994.

http://www.snackbar-games.com/downloads/cubegone.wmv

http://www.rbc-youth.us/personal/webofdestruction.wmv

Watch those videos and see your "underwork piece junk" is the last system standing during a brutal test.

The X-play poll, yeah whatever. X-play is a biased show. Now unbiased polls can usually be found on gamefaqs's main site. Just a few weeks ago they had the poll and GC was still in second. The reason I point out gamefaqs is because all gamers visit the site, and the site itself is NOT meant to cover video games. It's not a news site, not an info site. It doesn't crater towards just some people, it's a site all gamers can use. It's not IGN, or X-play, or Gamespot.

Lets go back to the Supply and Demand thing once again. The demand for a Ps2 is higher than a demand for a crappy Gamecube. They did the Ps2 Recall the year it came out, and your fact for a DVD player in every home is wrong, The only DVD player in my house is my roommates Ps2 and we use it almost every night with no problems. Gamecube is the least wanted of the three newer systems and that's why it is so cheap, you can't argue with that. X-band never reached the good ole U.S.A. or I would have had it (Also name some of the games X-band capable). The only online I have seen for Snes was in Japan with the prequel to Chrono Cross (Not Chrono Trigger, but another game which I forgot the title). I seriously doubt you have even seen an Episode of X-play, or any G4 t.v. show for that matter. And umm the PsX is in america, it's the smaller model Ps1 that is currently out right now. And now they have the slimmer Ps2 with a built in Broadband adapter. Oh reducing prices so Sales would Skyrocket... I still work at Gamestop and I worked there when they dropped the prices, Maybe 3 people a week bought a Gamecube while at least 6 bought a Ps2 or Xbox. What a freaking Skyrocket that was. Oh man so many people wanted a Gamecube we had to bar the doors and beat them down with sticks just to get them to get in a line.

You're digging up points that have been killed, Cassik.

The demand for PS2's is high because they break down so easily! TF's already said that twice, and you keep saying "Supply and Demand". The boom of PS2 was years ago. That was only because people liked PS better than N64, and they may have thought GC would be inferior to PS2, which they were wrong in. If GC's games "suck" so much, by which they don't at all, then what do you say about Baten Kaitos? It's even in your sig, for crying out loud. You may just be bashing GC's rep because you like PS2 better. Right now your evidence is either opinion-biased (AKA "it sucks" remarks) or repeated (AKA "Supply and Demand").

I'm grouchy today.

If the Ps2 keeps breaking down then nobody would want one, I have gotten very few Ps2 returns due to Disc read errors, never a damaged DVD player. I have gotten over twice the amount for GC returns due to lack of good games. So what if Baten Kaitos is in my Sig, the game wasn't that great.

Gamecube is a great system. The lower price point really makes it a great value, and on top of that, the hardware is more powerful than the PS2. I've played both the PS2 and the GCN, and I can say that while the PS2 has a more expansive library, the GCN has several must have exclusive titles as well. And to all the XBOX owners that think the GCN isn't as good b/c it's a "kiddy" machine, you all need a good smack in the head. Just because some games are for kids, that doesn't mean that everyone can't enjoy them. The Sonic and Mario games that many of you likely grew up with were fun then, and they're still fun now. An "E" rating doesn't mean a game isn't worthwhile, people, it just means that it can appeal to a wider audience. I can personally say that. The bottom line is that games are meant to be fun, and not macho like so many XBOX owners out there that perceive themselves to be tough because they have a system that was marketed towards a more adult audience. The GameCube delivers on the fun and that's what matters.

Nintendo system's are way better that playstation and xbox:
Nintendo is older and wich better experience, while his games can't be burned and the ps2 is worthless because his procesor is lower and his games can be burned for me (ps2 have high value because is ver easy to have a game of course burning it) ps2 and xbox are like a tpe of videocasseter
and nintendo games are way practic and more topics to choose.


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Cassik wrote:If the Ps2 keeps breaking down then nobody would want one, I have gotten very few Ps2 returns due to Disc read errors, never a damaged DVD player. I have gotten over twice the amount for GC returns due to lack of good games. So what if Baten Kaitos is in my Sig, the game wasn't that great.

"Not that great"? Humph. I seem to remember you made a topic complimenting its greatness. You were the deciding point that made me want BK.

I agree with Sumner. "E" doesn't mean "for kids". "EC" does. Mario. Kiddy? Maybe, but great fun. Zelda. Not even kiddy, except for WW, and huge fun. Even Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg! Massively kiddy, but still a great platformer. Don't judge a game by its cover.

You have to admit the characters are kinda drab, the combat is what Bk is all about. Story wise it does have it's twists and turns as you find out in the second disc who Kalas really is. Other than that the game is all about Combat with cards. And I never look at a games rating when I buy it. i'm pretty sure most of my games have an M rating though (The Suffering, Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4).