Ushi No Tane Forum

I agree with Kisari and almost everything as far as the topic goes. :>

As someone who is overweight herself, there is a difference between being "honest" and just being "hurtful." You can still be honest while trying to avoid hurting the other person's feelings. Although really, a person's weight really isn't anyone else's business. You may disapprove of their lifestyle, but that is their business and no one should DEFINITELY ever put somebody down or belittle them over it.

Toni, while I have yet to officially see this event, just seems like he was being a hurtful little « Kai's Bandana ». Based on the way it sounds, I don't think Tina was fishing for compliments. I think she was just explaining the reasons why she was exercising (more so then usual?) and unknowningly gave room for Toni to say something rude.

But honestly, I'm not that surprised. Rebecca, from what I've seen, doesn't seem to be that great of a mother, and I've seen her pick on the protagonist's weight before. So I guess this attitude of weight-shaming is something she gave to him? I dunno.

/haven't played the game, but wanted to give my two cents

Um, just curious, how many people have actually seen/read the event? I have the whole transcript if you guys want to read what happened for yourselves.

Also when it comes to my thoughts on this, I agree with Emurii, they both went out of line. Tony should really keep his mouth shut, even if he's a kid, he was really rude and after a certain point should have stopped. Tina shouldn't have been so violent and should have scolded him instead or something. It could have been handled better on both sides.

I've seen the event myself, and I still don't see how the event is trying to belittle either of the characters.

Toni's just being blunt with his observations, and it is not in his interest, nor his intention, to bring Tina down. He's just questioning why Tina says one thing, but does the opposite. With a lot of the things I've seen him say so far in my game file, he's just a kid with big dreams, but hasn't got smacked with reality yet.

I'm not saying that it's "OK" and/or it should be "ignored", that some people seem to be getting from my post or other people's post about this event. People should understand and accept that not everyone's informed of what's right, what's wrong, and things are often times, grey, especially being brought up via different cultures/environment.

Rebecca may have a good role in this situation since she represents the lean, mean, fighting machine, female character, blah, one should expect her lacking in the mother figure side of department (being a single parent is tough). When Rebecca comments about my farmer OC being blown away in the wind due to my small stature, it's her way of saying that she cares about my safety.

Honestly, if it's one thing that both people here in real life seem to share in common with NPCs in here, it's the lack of putting oneself in another person's shoes.

I think you're overreacting, Kisari. I'm saying this as an overweight girl. If I was Tina and feeling annoyed, it's because he's right. If you want to lose weight, the last thing you do is pig out on snacks in between meals. Toni could have been less blunt, but he's still right. Tina could have acknowledged he was right, but instead she flipped her « Cow Poopoo » and ended up acting more immature than Toni. I've had kids tell me the exact same thing Toni did, and while I was annoyed, embarrassed, angry, or all three, I didn't lash out at them.

This was not what I expected when I started reading this thread!

I figure the fighting has died down some, and I do want to share myself as well. Toni is out of line - granted, Toni is also a ten year old boy, so the proper response should have been to face palm the moment he started to say "fat" or to point out that it wasn't very nice to phrase things the way he did. But again, he is ten. A ten year old boy really doesn't see the problem with just saying things like they are, usually in the worst possible way from sheer foot-in-mouth disease.

Tina is the "adult" - however, we don't actually reach full maturity emotionally or mentally until we're about twenty three to twenty five, from what I understand, so I grant her some lee-way. She's also incredibly high-strung (I say that in the best possible way: spazzy is also a way to describe her) and really did take things to a different level... But I don't know, I see her as looking at the kids in town as "younger siblings" and...uh. Speaking as an older sister to a really, really stupid little brother (pretty sure he's said some things that now come out of Toni's mouth) I'm not gonna lie: I beat him up occasionally. Never enough to really be abuse. But enough for him to know what he did was completely out of line. And no, no you -cannot- reason with some people. Sadly my little brother, up until he hit sixteen (and even now on some topics), was one of them.

On the actual problem of the message?

Asian game. Asian. Game. You need to take into account that one: Asian body types are very different from non-Asian bodies. When they gain any weight it usually shows, and honestly, it is "weird" for that to be the case. And Japan does have the societal expectations of uniformity that are combined with a really intense fix on taking good care of yourself.

Two: a lot of the time, when your Asian friend/family member comments on your weight, they aren't approaching it from the "you're unattractive" area, they're coming from: "You aren't supposed to be this size, and I'm worried it will get worse and you will be unhealthy and unhappy." You can point out that it was kind of hurtful, and they'll look shocked and say "But I want you to be -well-" or something to that effect. Unless they're just being mean - and then, either you should not be friends with them, or you should avoid them like the plague at family gatherings.

Words hurt. Whether you react from a stance of anger or from rationality determines what kind of person you are, though...so maybe keep that in mind when you get into this kind of conversation. I feel like there have been excellent arguments, but there's also been way too much cruel fighting.

We should all look at pictures of kittens and puppies and horses now.

Well, er, I find it strange (just a bit) that no one has brought up that in most asian cultures, it is very normal and expected for others to hit kids to discipline them, not only that but from what I understand, Japan has quite a strict say on how erm large you are and many disapprove if you're like even a bit too big(which I thought was kind of weird since they seem to be quite acceptable about many things) so Tina wanting to lose weight after even gaining half a pound, is what I understand quite the norm.

That and Asian cultures have the respect your elders kind of things, so you really shouldn't say things like that to your elders even if it is true, like I remember being smacked and sitting in a dark room for awhile for something like that. And I'm not sure about Japan exactly, but while studying schools in China, student leaders, teachers and other authoritarian figures are expected to hit rude or disobedient children provided that they are not severely injured in the end. Since Asian cultures are similar in terms of discipline, I assume something is similar for Japan.

So in Japan I suppose this scene would be far more acceptable

Faye Scarlet wrote:I think you're overreacting, Kisari. I'm saying this as an overweight girl. If I was Tina and feeling annoyed, it's because he's right. If you want to lose weight, the last thing you do is pig out on snacks in between meals. Toni could have been less blunt, but he's still right. Tina could have acknowledged he was right, but instead she flipped her « Cow Poopoo » and ended up acting more immature than Toni. I've had kids tell me the exact same thing Toni did, and while I was annoyed, embarrassed, angry, or all three, I didn't lash out at them.

Which part do you think I'm over reacting about? The conversation from... hmm... iunno a week ago? I honestly don't care about the scene. The main thing I had a problem with was the idea that Tina was saying it to be an "attention whore".
Okay so does YOUR opinion as an overweight girl suddenly mean anyone else who is overweight is just overreacting when they are called fat? Sorry but you can't speak for all overweight people, and just because you aren't offended doesn't mean no one is allowed to be. Personally I was not at all offended by the scene. I found it stupid and Toni is obnoxious regardless of it.
And this is something people still don't seem to listen to. Why do you think a child, someone Tina is not even a friend of, has the right to give her advice when she did not ask for it? It absolutely does not matter that she was talking about it, because she did not ask for his opinion or ask for his "help" on her diet. Pretty sure she knows that's not how you lose weight. Last time I checked the event was taking place while Tina was out for a jog. Pretty sure she can take care of herself just fine. People do not need anyone else to tell them what to do with their body. The point is that I don't think it's okay for ANYONE to butt into people's business.
I also never said that what Toni said was wrong. Yeah he was right. Doesn't make it okay for him to say it.

I am not condoning her reaction. I never did.

Jevsy wrote:

Faye Scarlet wrote:Well to be fair, Rebecca seems to be a bit careless as a mother. o_o She's always up late, and I don't know what time she returns home. Toni always wanders off alone, too, unless it's meal time. Being neglected can make a child a bit rude. I'm not calling Rebecca a bad mom, but you think she would teach her son to know better.

I've noticed this, too. I'm not really a fan of Rebecca (which is a shame because I love her design). She seems like she's pretty careless at kind of rude, too, so maybe that's where he gets it. (Idk, just some of her comments/the way she talks just rubs me the wrong way...that's actually the case with quite a few people in this game! Hm...)

Maybe has something to do with the characters having more depth and realism this time, thus making them more well-rounded and interesting. They may not ALL exist EXACTLY as they do in this game, but I feel like I would know a Toni, a Rebecca, an Allen, a Hana, a Michelle...

I like that. They have flaws. They're nowhere near perfect. They say and do stupid or rude things sometimes. They've got vices. I feel like I'm back in Mineral Town, and I love that.

Aye... I haven't seen this event yet, so I cannot say too much.

But... Both characters reacted poorly to the situation. Yes, Toni is a kid, but that doesn't excuse his comments. As others have pointed out, there is a difference between the telling the truth and being rude. There are ways to tell the truth without being rude, but Toni obviously didn't do that. Granted, I agree that he probably wasn't trying to be rude, but that still doesn't excuse what he said.
And, some things are better left unsaid. He had no reason to say those things. Yes, Tina bought up the subject, but there was no need to go further. But, I suppose that comes from him being a kid, yes? I guess it'll be a lesson learned for him.
Now, for Tina... She's older than him, and should know how to deal with these kinds of situations by now. Yes, she's a younger adult, but she's still an adult. I guess this is a cultural issue, the hitting part. I see it as inexcusable, but that's a difference between our culture and Japan's... Regardless, she let her emotions control her.

Although, all of you keep saying that being thin is taking care of yourself... I would like to say that that's not always the case. Some people who are not the "ideal" weight are actually better off in terms of their health. Granted, I am not my best weight, mainly due to me missing an organ, but I am still fairly healthy, it seems.

I don't know where I'm going with this...

I guess I agree that darker cutscreens and subject matter is nice in an HM game, but I'm not sure about these events. I think they can be triggering for some people. But, I hate having the games so overly happy...
I've seen the one with Rebecca and Camilla, and I was fairly surprised when I saw it. It stuck out of place, I think. I honestly don't know how I feel... :/

Honestly, my overall impression of this whole game and it's cast is rather poor. I mean, they just seem so...catty. I'm all for depth and people having flaws, but, I don't know...they just appear very aggressive about it.

The Camillia, Rebecca, and Olivia event just sounds s.o strange and awkward

DracoShadow wrote:Aye... I haven't seen this event yet, so I cannot say too much.

But... Both characters reacted poorly to the situation. Yes, Toni is a kid, but that doesn't excuse his comments. As others have pointed out, there is a difference between the telling the truth and being rude. There are ways to tell the truth without being rude, but Toni obviously didn't do that. Granted, I agree that he probably wasn't trying to be rude, but that still doesn't excuse what he said.
And, some things are better left unsaid. He had no reason to say those things. Yes, Tina bought up the subject, but there was no need to go further. But, I suppose that comes from him being a kid, yes? I guess it'll be a lesson learned for him.
Now, for Tina... She's older than him, and should know how to deal with these kinds of situations by now. Yes, she's a younger adult, but she's still an adult. I guess this is a cultural issue, the hitting part. I see it as inexcusable, but that's a difference between our culture and Japan's... Regardless, she let her emotions control her.

Although, all of you keep saying that being thin is taking care of yourself... I would like to say that that's not always the case. Some people who are not the "ideal" weight are actually better off in terms of their health. Granted, I am not my best weight, mainly due to me missing an organ, but I am still fairly healthy, it seems.

I don't know where I'm going with this...

I guess I agree that darker cutscreens and subject matter is nice in an HM game, but I'm not sure about these events. I think they can be triggering for some people. But, I hate having the games so overly happy...
I've seen the one with Rebecca and Camilla, and I was fairly surprised when I saw it. It stuck out of place, I think. I honestly don't know how I feel... :/

That's where it gets tough. I am fine with HM having a few serious things with events and characters and etc. The problem is that there isn't a storyline like in an RPG. If they cannot properly, maturely and seriously address the issues they portray, they might as well not at all. As I've said the event never offended me. I thought it was pretty stupid and reminded me of why I dislike children. I do have to say the one with Tina/Toni and the one with Camilla and Rebecca simply left me.. unsettled I guess. It's not surprising that women, our body issues and what we do with them is still treated like a joke. And I completely understand they are meant to be light-hearted.
The Camilla/Rebecca one was just so... I don't know. It really seems like it was a man writing how he thinks women act together or something. I mean it's a pretty common theme in anime to have a flat-chested girl be really embarrassed about her small breasts and be jealous of the bigger breasted characters. So when I saw it, I wasn't the least bit surprised. It just felt really unnecessary and didn't need to exist.

Honestly, my overall impression of this whole game and it's cast is rather poor. I mean, they just seem so...catty. I'm all for depth and people having flaws, but, I don't know...they just appear very aggressive about it.

The Camillia, Rebecca, and Olivia event just sounds s.o strange and awkward

That's kind of how I feel too. Most characters seem to be very "extreme" to make it seem like they have more personality, in a way I guess? I mean if they have flaws, those flaws don't really get addressed properly or in a way that isn't light-hearted as if it's a joke. I don't really care TOO much, I like Harvest Moon for it's simplicity. I have just found myself not really talking to anyone in town aside from a few.

Don't write off the game just because of those jerks! Well... some of them aren't jerks, but there's one character I really despise...>.> Regardless, there are actually some really nice characters in this game. It's just that some of the meaner ones tend to get more of the spotlight.
But, really, it's not as bad as it seems. Yes, some characters have a line or two that can be a little harsh. I think the best example I can think of is scoring poorly on the Gardening Tour. I've never done bad enough to trigger it, but I heard that they tend to be pretty harsh critics.
But, overall, the cast is nice. I prefer this cast to most other casts, actually. I think they did a good job this time.

It was REALLY awkward. I wanted to bonk both Rebecca and Camilla (although, mainly Camilla) on the head for even arguing over it. I really didn't like Camilla after that event, though. I still don't. You said the word yourself. Catty.
I think Olivia did a good job at handling it, though. She's a very nice woman, and I really like her! ^-^

And, I have to leave now. Good night or good morning or good evening to you.

With how many typos and grammar mistakes this game has, I wonder how much the scenes lost in terms of feeling. For all we know Toni may have sounded perfectly acceptable in the original script and Tina may have been legitimately and obviously overreacting. Or maybe it was the other way around.

Personally, I dislike Toni anyway. He's a little « Pumpkin Kisser ». When I win the crop festival, everyone tells me 'good for you' in some fashion except Toni who goes on to say how disgusting vegetables are regardless of their quality. Way to be a jerk, you little « Tulip ».

Talk to him in the forest areas? He talks about putting something down his mother's back.

Yeah, he's a kid, and kids have faults. I get it. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the difference between « Pumpkin Kisser » children and normal kids. Niko and Hina are totally cool.

I don't think this event really required the whole in-depth argument of weight and who is wrong and who isn't wrong. I personally see no problem with this event. People can look at it any way they want and get into heated discussions about weight or just shrug it off and carry on with the game as intended. People have always complained about flat characters and how everything is all sunshine and rainbows but as soon as an 'issue' or a flaw in a persons personality is revealed things get out of hand and it causes arguments, people getting upset, or heated debates about the subjects; it's probably why they never put this « Cow Poopoo » in previous games.

I, for one, welcome these flaws, insecurities and issues. In reality everyone has them. Just because there happens to be things about weight in this game doesn't mean people should get pissy about it or start hating a character because of his/her views. Everybody is different and you have no idea what the intentions are of these characters; just because something comes across as mean to you does not mean it was actually said with bad intent.

All I have seen since the game came out is people complaining about about how mean some of the characters are or something else that makes them different from the norm. They've tried to give you what you wanted and now a lot of people don't like it - make up your minds. In reality some people are mean personality wise whether it's to hurt someone intentionally or it's just passive and part of their personaily - just because someone appears outwardly mean doesn't always mean that they are actively trying to hurt you. Some people are more dominant while others are more submissive. Some are happy while others aren't and some are even boring while others aren't. People are just not actively seeing a depth in personality. Not everyone is happy 24/7 so just because a character you thought was ok makes a snide comment or complains about something or appears insecure or even has a disagreement with another character at some point, do you not think that gives them more realism? At least they put the effort in and covered more than just the happy go lucky and cookie cutter personaitly « Puppy Doodoo » they usually put in. I have no issues with any of the characters, they're the most in depth set of characters they have ever done, yet other people don't seem to want them this way for some reason. I've seen many people say that they're harder to like but if anything, for me, these characters are much easier to like because they have much more depth than the previous ones - basically they are not perfect and that makes them much more believable, relatable, and likeable.

And sure, the whole weight thing in real life can be a big issue - but only if you make it a big issue. At least they are covering issues that can be an issue in real life, but I don't see why these need to be taken out of the game and discussed on a grander scale when they're discussed enough elsewhere as it is. Please, just get over it and carry on with your life. Sure you're entitled to your opinions and views but when you start to overreact and take it out of control or force your opinions on others and refuse to accept their views on things then quite frankly, you're an idiot. I don't understand why people can't just be open minided and just accept others views on things (you don't have to agree but just accept it) it makes you come across as extremely bitter. And really this, at the end of the day, is ONLY A GAME.

/rant

I never liked Toni or Rebecca for those reasons.

They always nitpicked and said things that really hit a nerve lol.
And I just hate when Toni asks for a reward when you greet him!