Seriously Game?

[Shymuffin6]

It's just a game. O.O Don't overthink it 2 much!!!!!Dx

[Kisari]

I don't think this event really required the whole in-depth argument of weight and who is wrong and who isn't wrong. I personally see no problem with this event. People can look at it any way they want and get into heated discussions about weight or just shrug it off and carry on with the game as intended. People have always complained about flat characters and how everything is all sunshine and rainbows but as soon as an 'issue' or a flaw in a persons personality is revealed things get out of hand and it causes arguments, people getting upset, or heated debates about the subjects; it's probably why they never put this « Cow Poopoo » in previous games.

I, for one, welcome these flaws, insecurities and issues. In reality everyone has them. Just because there happens to be things about weight in this game doesn't mean people should get pissy about it or start hating a character because of his/her views. Everybody is different and you have no idea what the intentions are of these characters; just because something comes across as mean to you does not mean it was actually said with bad intent.

All I have seen since the game came out is people complaining about about how mean some of the characters are or something else that makes them different from the norm. They've tried to give you what you wanted and now a lot of people don't like it - make up your minds. In reality some people are mean personality wise whether it's to hurt someone intentionally or it's just passive and part of their personaily - just because someone appears outwardly mean doesn't always mean that they are actively trying to hurt you. Some people are more dominant while others are more submissive. Some are happy while others aren't and some are even boring while others aren't. People are just not actively seeing a depth in personality. Not everyone is happy 24/7 so just because a character you thought was ok makes a snide comment or complains about something or appears insecure or even has a disagreement with another character at some point, do you not think that gives them more realism? At least they put the effort in and covered more than just the happy go lucky and cookie cutter personaitly « Puppy Doodoo » they usually put in. I have no issues with any of the characters, they're the most in depth set of characters they have ever done, yet other people don't seem to want them this way for some reason. I've seen many people say that they're harder to like but if anything, for me, these characters are much easier to like because they have much more depth than the previous ones - basically they are not perfect and that makes them much more believable, relatable, and likeable.

And sure, the whole weight thing in real life can be a big issue - but only if you make it a big issue. At least they are covering issues that can be an issue in real life, but I don't see why these need to be taken out of the game and discussed on a grander scale when they're discussed enough elsewhere as it is. Please, just get over it and carry on with your life. Sure you're entitled to your opinions and views but when you start to overreact and take it out of control or force your opinions on others and refuse to accept their views on things then quite frankly, you're an idiot. I don't understand why people can't just be open minided and just accept others views on things (you don't have to agree but just accept it) it makes you come across as extremely bitter. And really this, at the end of the day, is ONLY A GAME.

/rant

I have already said the only thing I took issue with was the comment about Tina saying it to be an attention whore. I honest to « Harvest Goddess » do not care about the scene because it is dumb. I'm just very bad at forming coherent sentences and keeping my thoughts organized.

But um, really? I don't think anyone was actually upset. I sure wasn't. I didn't know posting on a forum where we are allowed to voice our opinions was wrong unless we are all agreeing with eachother and patting eachother on the butts. Also lol, weight is a big issue in real life and not because of the fat people making a "big deal" out of it.

That's great that these characters are so wonderful for you. But not everyone thinks that. And everyone is entitled to not only voice that opinion, but discuss it with eachother. I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone. Example?

I am completely and utterly able to hate a character based on the things they do and say in this game. I don't know what makes you think that not liking characters for their... character is somehow wrong. It's a game, they aren't real and not liking them does not affect anyone. At all. Except people that for some reason take offense when the characters they like are insulted or not liked. I don't care enough about fictional characters to "hate" them, but I sure don't like a lot of them and I have no obligation to just because you feel they are so "deep" and "well written".

[yenquest]

Honestly, Kisari. If multiple people are telling you the same thing (or people are talking about anonymous someone, and you took it as it's related to your posts), maybe you aren't getting the fact that your confronting posts are rubbing other people the wrong way. And just like they all said, we all are free to disagree and put in our two cents on the subject, so I don't see why people are bending all out of shape and ignoring this little bit.

[Kisari]

Honestly, Kisari. If multiple people are telling you the same thing (or people are talking about anonymous someone, and you took it as it's related to your posts), maybe you aren't getting the fact that your confronting posts are rubbing other people the wrong way. And just like they all said, we all are free to disagree and put in our two cents on the subject, so I don't see why people are bending all out of shape and ignoring this little bit.

Well considering the fact that there were only two of us discussing the issue a ways back, it's not that hard to assume. I've already dropped that issue from a week ago or whatever. I don't see why I'm not allowed to say anything at all anymore because of it? I admit I got WAY off track with my original argument back then, and my original intent got lost. And maybe I'm not getting it? Because I don't understand why responding(and not agreeing) means I'm "confronting" them or rubbing them the wrong way. I've never made a personal attack or told someone they can't think a certain way.

[yenquest]

Well considering the fact that there were only two of us discussing the issue a ways back, it's not that hard to assume. I've already dropped that issue from a week ago or whatever. I don't see why I'm not allowed to say anything at all anymore because of it? I admit I got WAY off track with my original argument back then, and my original intent got lost. And maybe I'm not getting it? Because I don't understand why responding(and not agreeing) means I'm "confronting" them or rubbing them the wrong way. I've never made a personal attack or told someone they can't think a certain way.

The bolded bit is what's throwing people off. I don't remember seeing any posts asking you to not do so, with an exception to a rudely anonymous fishy. A lot of people are just asking you to tone it down a bit (very kindly and casually at that) because you kept on going up to people to say that you're going to stand by your beliefs and you won't stop doing so.

[Kisari]

Well considering the fact that there were only two of us discussing the issue a ways back, it's not that hard to assume. I've already dropped that issue from a week ago or whatever. I don't see why I'm not allowed to say anything at all anymore because of it? I admit I got WAY off track with my original argument back then, and my original intent got lost. And maybe I'm not getting it? Because I don't understand why responding(and not agreeing) means I'm "confronting" them or rubbing them the wrong way. I've never made a personal attack or told someone they can't think a certain way.

The bolded bit is what's throwing people off. I don't remember seeing any posts asking you to not do so, with an exception to a rudely anonymous fishy. A lot of people are just asking you to tone it down a bit (very kindly and casually at that) because you kept on going up to people to say that you're going to stand by your beliefs and you won't stop doing so.

Sorry I guess I still don't understand? I was not upset or lashing out at anyone. So by toning it down am I supposed to just not say anything? Considering the other post essentially called me an idiot for continuing to talk about it and was really condescending... I mean I guess I can just ignore this thread. Which I might as well do since people don't like me questioning them. I do feel strongly about the issue, and I admit and apologize with how off track I got about it.

[Pikoko]

I've seen this scene and even though I personally don't like Tina, I didn't mind it so much? It has a really goofy anime big sister/little brother feel to it. Taking into account how small this town is and how close everyone obviously is, I think it would make sense that more or less everyone in town is "family" and while they were both misbehaving, it was supposed to have a sort of sibling quarrel tone.

I like Rebecca, I think she seems really refreshing, she's a mother and a nice woman in my opinion, but she's far less feminine that all the previous Harvest Moon ladies that I can think of, even Gwen, and I like her strong personality. It's not to say that some of the things she says couldn't be construed as being rude, but coming from a game that is meant to be light-hearted, I choose to take it as her overmothering me and being a little rough about it.

I like a lot of the cut scenes and I like the personality differences in all the characters!
I think it's great that I like and dislike the villagers and have a certain fondness for the personality quirks of them.
Plus, they made so many new characters that seem vibrant and different from former characters, so I'm happy to have new townspeople to love/hate.

[yenquest]

Sorry I guess I still don't understand? I was not upset or lashing out at anyone. So by toning it down am I supposed to just not say anything? Considering the other post essentially called me an idiot for continuing to talk about it and was really condescending... I mean I guess I can just ignore this thread. Which I might as well do since people don't like me questioning them. I do feel strongly about the issue, and I admit and apologize with how off track I got about it.

It's a matter of how people perceive from your posts, or anyone's posts for that matter, I guess.

"That's great that these characters are so wonderful for you. But not everyone thinks that. And everyone is entitled to not only voice that opinion, but discuss it with eachother. I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone. Example?"

This line a lone can be taken negatively since you're asking people to provide evidence of what they see/perceive. Like those who agree or disagree with you (team A, team B), both sides of the party seems to get this notion the both teams are telling each other to not put in their two cents. I've yet to see it being said literally, but I can get the aura from both sides still.

But hey, I may like Toni for being a kid, and other folks dislike him with a great fiery passion, the least I want to do is tell folks that not everyone's the same, and not everyone will understand, because they all are raised differently. It's just a matter of acceptance, agree to disagree, and things are just the way they are.

[Kisari]

Sorry I guess I still don't understand? I was not upset or lashing out at anyone. So by toning it down am I supposed to just not say anything? Considering the other post essentially called me an idiot for continuing to talk about it and was really condescending... I mean I guess I can just ignore this thread. Which I might as well do since people don't like me questioning them. I do feel strongly about the issue, and I admit and apologize with how off track I got about it.

It's a matter of how people perceive from your posts, or anyone's posts for that matter, I guess.

"That's great that these characters are so wonderful for you. But not everyone thinks that. And everyone is entitled to not only voice that opinion, but discuss it with eachother. I don't see anyone forcing anything on anyone. Example?"

This line a lone can be taken negatively since you're asking people to provide evidence of what they see/perceive. Like those who agree or disagree with you (team A, team B), both sides of the party seems to get this notion the both teams are telling each other to not put in their two cents. I've yet to see it being said literally, but I can get the aura from both sides still.

But hey, I may like Toni for being a kid, and other folks dislike him with a great fiery passion, the least I want to do is tell folks that not everyone's the same, and not everyone will understand, because they all are raised differently. It's just a matter of acceptance, agree to disagree, and things are just the way they are.

Personally if someone is going to make a claim that I or anyone else is doing something, I'd like to know why. I am legitimately curious, and asking because I don't understand what they are seeing. And if I'm coming off that way, I want to know why it seems like that so I can correct how I address things.

The person did actually say you shouldn't hate a character for his/her views. So uh, they did actually say not to.

[yenquest]

Personally if someone is going to make a claim that I or anyone else is doing something, I'd like to know why. I am legitimately curious, and asking because I don't understand what they are seeing. And if I'm coming off that way, I want to know why it seems like that so I can correct how I address things.

The person did actually say you shouldn't hate a character for his/her views. So uh, they did actually say not to.

I pretty much gave you an example of what you're doing and you pretty much provided the same example in return, misunderstanding what people were trying to say.

The "You think that way, I don't, explain why". You're looking to debate, but a lot of the people you quote just want a casual discussion or leave their two cents and stay out of the discussion after that.

"You shouldn't hate" doesn't mean "shut up".

[Kisari]

Personally if someone is going to make a claim that I or anyone else is doing something, I'd like to know why. I am legitimately curious, and asking because I don't understand what they are seeing. And if I'm coming off that way, I want to know why it seems like that so I can correct how I address things.

The person did actually say you shouldn't hate a character for his/her views. So uh, they did actually say not to.

I pretty much gave you an example of what you're doing and you pretty much provided the same example in return, misunderstanding what people were trying to say.

The "You think that way, I don't, explain why". You're looking to debate, but a lot of the people you quote just want a casual discussion or leave their two cents and stay out of the discussion after that.

"You shouldn't hate" doesn't mean "shut up".

Someone thinking something is different than accusing me of something. If someone tells me that I am forcing my beliefs on people, I'd like an example so I can understand what they mean. If engaging people in conversation and the things they say is considered "misunderstanding" and "forcing my beliefs", well I guess I am more socially inept than I thought.

I understand that, at the very least, you feel that me trying to converse with people who bring it up is considered confrontational and apparently also is "forcing my beliefs on people". I don't agree, but since it's bothering people I guess I'll just only post when I can give butt pats or agree with people.

If I quote them and they don't respond I don't care. I don't follow them to their notes or harass them. But I feel I have every right, if they post, to respond.

I never said it meant shut up. They said you shouldn't hate a character because of her/his views. I said I have every right to dislike a character cause not everyone thinks they are so wonderful. The rest was simply added because I have in fact been told before that I am not allowed to voice dislike for characters. So I simply add that in because some people actually believe that.

[yenquest]

Someone thinking something is different than accusing me of something. If someone tells me that I am forcing my beliefs on people, I'd like an example so I can understand what they mean. If engaging people in conversation and the things they say is considered "misunderstanding" and "forcing my beliefs", well I guess I am more socially inept than I thought.

I understand that, at the very least, you feel that me trying to converse with people who bring it up is considered confrontational and apparently also is "forcing my beliefs on people". I don't agree, but since it's bothering people I guess I'll just only post when I can give butt pats or agree with people.

If I quote them and they don't respond I don't care. I don't follow them to their notes or harass them. But I feel I have every right, if they post, to respond.

I never said it meant shut up. They said you shouldn't hate a character because of her/his views. I said I have every right to dislike a character cause not everyone thinks they are so wonderful. The rest was simply added because I have in fact been told before that I am not allowed to voice dislike for characters. So I simply add that in because some people actually believe that.

And now you're just playing the victim card with "I guess I'll just post this way from now on" in a demeaning way with "butt patting". I find that to be harsh, even though I've been trying to explain how I am viewing you as a person, and guessing what it is that is causing conflict between you and other folks. You always go on and on about having a right to form an opinion of whatever character as if you were being held against your will to post about it in the forum.

I'm not the other person, so I can't talk for other folks. I perceived your posts to be very demanding, confronting, what-have-you, and I gave an example of what I find to be rubbing me the wrong way. If you don't understand what it is about the example I used that seems to be the problem (to me personally, rather than for other people), even though I already explained it to you, there's really nothing else for me to say. Whether my views are same with others or not, you're right that it's all a matter of them posting back to you.

Anyway, I have to get back to helping with Thanksgiving prep. Hope you enjoy your family meet.

[forsakensolace]

Someone thinking something is different than accusing me of something. If someone tells me that I am forcing my beliefs on people, I'd like an example so I can understand what they mean. If engaging people in conversation and the things they say is considered "misunderstanding" and "forcing my beliefs", well I guess I am more socially inept than I thought.

I understand that, at the very least, you feel that me trying to converse with people who bring it up is considered confrontational and apparently also is "forcing my beliefs on people". I don't agree, but since it's bothering people I guess I'll just only post when I can give butt pats or agree with people.

If I quote them and they don't respond I don't care. I don't follow them to their notes or harass them. But I feel I have every right, if they post, to respond.

I never said it meant shut up. They said you shouldn't hate a character because of her/his views. I said I have every right to dislike a character cause not everyone thinks they are so wonderful. The rest was simply added because I have in fact been told before that I am not allowed to voice dislike for characters. So I simply add that in because some people actually believe that.

I think what might be happening here is that you read hate and dislike as entirely synonymous, and most others won't. No, you shouldn't hate a character over much of anything, really (with a few glaring exceptions). It's a character, it isn't real, and the amount of energy and focus it takes to hate something or someone isn't to be taken lightly. You'd have to think about it so much, and just seethe over it every chance you could, and you would have to desire to seek whatever it was you hated out to destroy it. Dislike doesn't take nearly as much energy. You frown, avoid the thing, and move on. If asked about it or forced to interact with it, you would do so with annoyance, but it shouldn't send you into a towering rage.

Problem: Text is hard to determine if it is typed in "annoyance" or "fury". I think it's easier to mistake you for actually hating the character, thus why others are very much trying to point out the fact that you're kind of being silly to hate him. He isn't real, and honestly, in my opinion anyway, it's kind of silly to hate someone over this, even when they are real. Such a waste of yourself.

I don't think you mean hate the way I described it, and I think you're getting a bit annoyed with everyone because they're seeing it that way and you can't figure out how to explain that you don't feel the hate I described in a way everyone gets.

Dislike the kid all you want, but... Don't expect the rest of us to. I'm rather fond of Toni, and I think if the game allowed for this kind of change, if he gets a bit more guidance (from the MC and the rest of the village) he'd grow up into a remarkably unrecognizable man from this brat we see. (Rather fond of != wouldn't cuff him around the head for some of what he says.)

[Beth Sycamore]

(I'll call him Tony,not Toni)

Tony is just being a typical little boy,and boys like things like bugs,being rude,running around,and acting doofy.

[Poppyseed]

Being a little kid may not be an excuse, but you also can't ignore the fact that he IS just a kid~

This type of conversation about ToTT would be impossible, 'cause virtually NOTHING happens. Hehe~