Saga: Buh wah? Have you not looked at the sales figures for the DS? There are already a couple million units sold world wide. That's definately not a flop :p
Cassik: Yes, nintendo didn't make as much money... but it's hard to call a system a failure when you are still making tons and tons of money off it.
Compare it to dreamcast which WAS a failure. Sega LOST hundreds of millions of dollars. No matter how you look at it, nintendo still makes more every hour then you'll ever see your entire life. -sighs- Man I wish I owned stock in nintendo -_-
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Dreamcast wouldn't have been a failure if they hadn't fired the lead Advertisement guy the day before the US release. He and his entire team of 300 employees were fired and their entire Marketing plans went with them. Dreamcast has some of the best games ever made such as Phantasy Star Online, Evolution, Record of Lodoss War, Shenmue, Shenmue 2, Project Seaman, Grandia 2, Powerstone, and Skies of Arcadia. Damn the Japanese for firing that man and his team! By the way I make 200 dollars a day for 6 hours of work with my job.
I'm definately not disputing the DC had some awesome games... but from a monetary standpoint they were obviously a failure. You can say the same thing for the SS. It had some awesome games too...
But it definately wasn't all just advertising it was the perception Sega had ever since it's sega saturn days. Nintendo had the same problem with GCN though the N64 never had as bad a reputation as the poor SS.
SS's problem was it's difficulty to program for and it's poor grasp on the 3rd party market. -shrugs- Sega's doing much better in software sales then it ever did selling system's anyways ^_^
But it definately wasn't all just advertising it was the perception Sega had ever since it's sega saturn days. Nintendo had the same problem with GCN though the N64 never had as bad a reputation as the poor SS.
SS's problem was it's difficulty to program for and it's poor grasp on the 3rd party market. -shrugs- Sega's doing much better in software sales then it ever did selling system's anyways ^_^
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Sagaciousfarmer
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What I meant was that it wouldn't produce anything new for a while, what I call a flop really means a flat period, one devoid of new things.Myah wrote:Saga: Buh wah? Have you not looked at the sales figures for the DS? There are already a couple million units sold world wide. That's definately not a flop :p
Cassik: Yes, nintendo didn't make as much money... but it's hard to call a system a failure when you are still making tons and tons of money off it.
Compare it to dreamcast which WAS a failure. Sega LOST hundreds of millions of dollars. No matter how you look at it, nintendo still makes more every hour then you'll ever see your entire life. -sighs- Man I wish I owned stock in nintendo -_-
Maybe in America they did but their is a whole world out their. Worldwide Gamecube and Playstation sell about the same, and Xbox doesn't sell well worldwide, but it's been selling alot more lately (Halo 2 I presume)Cassik wrote:Myah: Losing hundreds of millions of Dollars to X-box and Ps2 is a failure.
Well Halo 2 being the biggest game release in history I would assume so.Sumner wrote:Maybe in America they did but their is a whole world out their. Worldwide Gamecube and Playstation sell about the same, and Xbox doesn't sell well worldwide, but it's been selling alot more lately (Halo 2 I presume)Cassik wrote:Myah: Losing hundreds of millions of Dollars to X-box and Ps2 is a failure.
Sumner: Not sure where you get your numbers... PS2 outsold the combined total of GCN and X-boxs.
Stateside GCN and X-box are about tied in total sales (x-box having just a tens of thousands more)
Europe x-box sold a lot better then gamecube.
Japan (the mother land of games) gamecube way outsold x-box.
I have quite a few friends in Europe... in some countries most stores don't even carry GCN's or their games anymore.
Another fun fact: The GBA has outsold all three consoles combined. If nothing else, nintendo can probably stay afloat just on the Gameboy and DS lines.
Stateside GCN and X-box are about tied in total sales (x-box having just a tens of thousands more)
Europe x-box sold a lot better then gamecube.
Japan (the mother land of games) gamecube way outsold x-box.
I have quite a few friends in Europe... in some countries most stores don't even carry GCN's or their games anymore.
Another fun fact: The GBA has outsold all three consoles combined. If nothing else, nintendo can probably stay afloat just on the Gameboy and DS lines.
I wouldn't agree that the DS would hold Nintendo afloat, but yeah the GBA is awesome. Also Nintendo Discontinued production of the Gamecube or so I have heard. Wanna know something funny about X-box in Japan? Well The line for Halo 2 at there Tokyo Game show was only 5 minutes long compared to E3's 3 hour wait. The X-box never hit it off in Japan and I think anything Microsoft comes out with never will.
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It could be the fact that XBOX is an AMERICAN game system, hmm?Cassik wrote:I wouldn't agree that the DS would hold Nintendo afloat, but yeah the GBA is awesome. Also Nintendo Discontinued production of the Gamecube or so I have heard. Wanna know something funny about X-box in Japan? Well The line for Halo 2 at there Tokyo Game show was only 5 minutes long compared to E3's 3 hour wait. The X-box never hit it off in Japan and I think anything Microsoft comes out with never will.
Japan's got the goods. We don't. Get over it.
It's not so much that the system came out in America... but the fact that X-box ports of games were delayed in japan much like in the US often gamecube ports came out later then x-box and PS2 ones.
Besides that, X-box had the lowest amount of RPGs (which is a big staple for a game system in japan) Finally, add to the fact that (if I remember right) it came out last... it just didn't have much going for it. If X-box didn't rely so much on 1st and 2nd party games in japan, it might have done better. But as it is, most japanese gamers aren't into FPS' or mech warrior games. And nobody was into Blinx the time traveling cat :p
As it is, I don't think the x-box line is going anywhere anytime soon... but like Cassik said I won't be expecting it to ever make it big in japan unless it somehow manages to muster up some of the big name japanese third parties.
Cassik: It is a little early to be saying the DS line, I know... but despite what nintendo thinks or what plans they have, the DS in the public eye is the new gameboy. That's why it sold so many units. If the average person really thought the DS was a third line and that a new real gameboy was on the horizon they'd more then likely wait for it. And since the DS is (more or less) fully GBA compatible it's only furthering that belief.
I also tend to believe that the DS will eventually get some great games released on it. When the GBA was released the only original and good game on it was Castlevania: Circle of the Moon. Nintendo's best effort at launch was a slightly redone mario 2. Since then the GBA has obviously done far far better. I could be over estimating the future potential of the DS, but I really see it going down along the same lines.
Besides that, X-box had the lowest amount of RPGs (which is a big staple for a game system in japan) Finally, add to the fact that (if I remember right) it came out last... it just didn't have much going for it. If X-box didn't rely so much on 1st and 2nd party games in japan, it might have done better. But as it is, most japanese gamers aren't into FPS' or mech warrior games. And nobody was into Blinx the time traveling cat :p
As it is, I don't think the x-box line is going anywhere anytime soon... but like Cassik said I won't be expecting it to ever make it big in japan unless it somehow manages to muster up some of the big name japanese third parties.
Cassik: It is a little early to be saying the DS line, I know... but despite what nintendo thinks or what plans they have, the DS in the public eye is the new gameboy. That's why it sold so many units. If the average person really thought the DS was a third line and that a new real gameboy was on the horizon they'd more then likely wait for it. And since the DS is (more or less) fully GBA compatible it's only furthering that belief.
I also tend to believe that the DS will eventually get some great games released on it. When the GBA was released the only original and good game on it was Castlevania: Circle of the Moon. Nintendo's best effort at launch was a slightly redone mario 2. Since then the GBA has obviously done far far better. I could be over estimating the future potential of the DS, but I really see it going down along the same lines.
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Whoever told you that is probably an anti-X-box person. You wouldn't get many people buying it for a price tag like that... My guess will be $250 to $400 range for all 3 systems (sperately of course :p)
The very VERY VERY most a system could possibly get away with for the next 2-3 generations is $500... but I really don't see that happening till X-box4 or so.
Remember, game companies lose money on consoles. They make their money from selling games. The sell consoles cheap because they know you'll probably buy lots of games over the systems lifetime.
The very VERY VERY most a system could possibly get away with for the next 2-3 generations is $500... but I really don't see that happening till X-box4 or so.
Remember, game companies lose money on consoles. They make their money from selling games. The sell consoles cheap because they know you'll probably buy lots of games over the systems lifetime.
Well if you really want to know, you only bought the rights to use the Console systems your currently own, their real price range is around 600 dollars for a Ps2, GC, or X-box. Thats why it's illegal to Mod your Ps2 or X-box without the companies permission. (All you people who opened your Ps2's just commited an illegal act).
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