Localization announced by XSEED as "Story of Seasons"

[Tantalize]

. . . I think you should really pull back the reigns on how freely you speak about everything. Also, you go on and on about things *you* want... (This game isn't just for you, you know that right?) It's repeated information and to be honest, I'd rather see more posts from other people. It's one thing to say that you dislike a character, but it's an entirely other thing to sit there insulting the character and stating how you feel it doesn't belong because of your personal experiences. If that's the case, then all the characters would end up being kicked to the curb at some point because someone, somewhere, has had a bad personal experience with someone like each of those characters. (For me, I don't approve of Soseki. But I don't want to upset other people by going into great details about that. This isn't the time or the place.) I just really hope you understand how insulting you have been and improve upon that in future posts.

I've been reading through this thread, I agree. Yes, okay, we know that you want same-« Chicken Hugging » marriage in the games. We know you want gender-neutral pronouns. Those are your opinions, and I respect that. But can you please stop mentioning it in every other post? We get the point already. I feel that a lot of the things posted have been repetitive, and I agree that more variety in content would be nice.

& Ditto with the poster above me. This forum should be kept respectful, and while I don't particularly care for Allen myself, I don't that some opinions about him have been expressed very nicely.

On a separate note, I am so happy that XSEED is localizing SoS! RF4 is one of my favorite games ever, and I loved their work with it, so I am very excited for SoS.

[Guest]

. . . I think you should really pull back the reigns on how freely you speak about everything. Also, you go on and on about things *you* want... (This game isn't just for you, you know that right?) It's repeated information and to be honest, I'd rather see more posts from other people. It's one thing to say that you dislike a character, but it's an entirely other thing to sit there insulting the character and stating how you feel it doesn't belong because of your personal experiences. If that's the case, then all the characters would end up being kicked to the curb at some point because someone, somewhere, has had a bad personal experience with someone like each of those characters. (For me, I don't approve of Soseki. But I don't want to upset other people by going into great details about that. This isn't the time or the place.) I just really hope you understand how insulting you have been and improve upon that in future posts.

I've been reading through this thread, I agree. Yes, okay, we know that you want same-« Chicken Hugging » marriage in the games. We know you want gender-neutral pronouns. Those are your opinions, and I respect that. But can you please stop mentioning it in every other post? We get the point already. I feel that a lot of the things posted have been repetitive, and I agree that more variety in content would be nice.

& Ditto with the poster above me. This forum should be kept respectful, and while I don't particularly care for Allen myself, I don't that some opinions about him have been expressed very nicely.

On a separate note, I am so happy that XSEED is localizing SoS! RF4 is one of my favorite games ever, and I loved their work with it, so I am very excited for SoS.

It's not only him who wants equality. There's a lot of people who feel excluded and we have all the right to at least complain. If you don't like that we've a voice, then don't read this comments.

[SilentPsycho]

Personally, I don't really care about pronouns. At the end of the day, all I'm staring at is a bunch of pretty pixels on the screen, and if said pixels are being referred to as something different from what I'm imagining them to be, I'll just switch it round in my head. English is not a good language to try and be gender-neutral all the time, otherwise it just comes across very formal and strange, with no personality.

Can't wait for this game now. I adore the localisation in RF4, and now that I have my US 3DS, I'll be able to enjoy XSEED's version straight off the bat, instead of waiting over a year for it.

[Taniyama Mai]

late to the party as always, as not to derail the conversation any farther than it has been, I will do my best to place these things under spoilers and I suggest any replying do the same.

Spoiler:

It really seems like you are trying to exclude people as much as possible here, first you insult females for liking yaoi couples and now you're insulting people who like Allen. I think you should really pull back the reigns on how freely you speak about everything. Also, you go on and on about things *you* want... (This game isn't just for you, you know that right?) It's repeated information and to be honest, I'd rather see more posts from other people. It's one thing to say that you dislike a character, but it's an entirely other thing to sit there insulting the character and stating how you feel it doesn't belong because of your personal experiences. If that's the case, then all the characters would end up being kicked to the curb at some point because someone, somewhere, has had a bad personal experience with someone like each of those characters. (For me, I don't approve of Soseki. But I don't want to upset other people by going into great details about that. This isn't the time or the place.) I just really hope you understand how insulting you have been and improve upon that in future posts.

someone's not been paying attention.

I did not attack women for liking yaoi. I mentioned how many women turn gay men into a fetish *once* to someone who's post came off as homophobic. men and women are capable of liking LGBT couples without turning us into a fetish, but it is actually rather rare.

as for allen, he meets almost all the criteria of domestic violence (the only ones he doesn't are the more violent ones that wouldn't be in a kid's game) which is vastly different than simply disliking a character or having a bad experience with someone that's kinda like a certain character. so I mean, unless you've dealt with the same things the survivors who came forward after ANB's release in English to tell their stories, I suggest you not compare the two.

and if you have such issue with the things I say, you could always simply stop reading them, or make an actual account, and ether message me there so I don't have to derail the topic just to defend myself from a cowardly anon or block me.

I will speak as freely as I like.

I don't see where she insulted anyone for liking Allen. In any case, Allen's behavior is really unacceptable. He's abusive as hell and the fact that he's a bachelor in a kids' game is kind of disturbing. There is nothing wrong with people criticizing that. Also, I'm not sure what was said about the yaoi thing, but the fetishiziation of homosexuality is pretty wrong. Liking a gay couple isn't wrong, but liking them just because they are gay and you think it's hot is pretty bad.

thank you! finally, someone who gets it.

There is nothing wrong with a woman who likes to see two guys kissing. It's logical: if i like hot guys, then i'll love two hot guys. But if she doesn't respect gay people, then she's something beyond stupid.

the ignorance is strong with this one.

Totally agree with fishy here. I mean I like wooing Allen cause i don't always like going for goody-two-shoes and adorable sweet characters all the time when I'm playing a game. I have a fair share of time doing that in real life. So Allen is something different to me and yes, different people have different taste preferences and quirks.

And I do think her phrase saying "I don't feel like putting up with his psycho fangirls (if they're as bad here as they were on tumblr at least..)" is quite harsh to be honest. It's one thing to have an opinion, and it's another to present it in a rude manner.Ironically, she is being somewhat like Allen, despite disliking him for being abusive and awful. And before I was accused as one of those psycho fangirls, i'll just say this here that this is the first time that I actually disagree with people saying Allen is horrible, just because the poor way the opinion is voiced.

well, thing is, if you're not actually one of the psycho fangirls, then I'm not talking about you. when I first came out about my story on tumblr and how offended and hurt I was that allen had been added to the game, I was bombarded with hateful messages, death threats, rape threats, 'you deserved it you [slur slur slur]', ext. there are psycho fangirls who pop up any time he's mentioned and attack. if that's not you, good for you. I'm not talking about you, and if I'm being "harsh" by calling them what they are, then what are they?

also, do not ever compare the anger of the oppressed and victimized to the actions of the oppressors and abusers. ever.

I've been reading through this thread, I agree. Yes, okay, we know that you want same-« Chicken Hugging » marriage in the games. We know you want gender-neutral pronouns. Those are your opinions, and I respect that. But can you please stop mentioning it in every other post? We get the point already. I feel that a lot of the things posted have been repetitive, and I agree that more variety in content would be nice.

& Ditto with the poster above me. This forum should be kept respectful, and while I don't particularly care for Allen myself, I don't that some opinions about him have been expressed very nicely.

On a separate note, I am so happy that XSEED is localizing SoS! RF4 is one of my favorite games ever, and I loved their work with it, so I am very excited for SoS.

well, seeing as I only brought it up because it was part of the conversation, should the conversation had moved to a different subject, I too would have followed. if you want a new subject so badly, introduce one.

I tried to be respectful before. that did not work. no one treated me with the same respect I showed them. I am tired of being the one who is shooshed and shoved aside and I no longer put up with it. if you have a problem with that, that is your problem.

I think this is the thread with the talk about gender neutral pronouns; there's so many I kinda get mixed up so here's as good a place as any.

Hatsuu answered about including gender neutral pronouns in dialouge and events.

(Spoiler for length)

Spoiler:

Anonymous asked:
Could you guys still find a way to sneak in gender neutral dialogue into Story of Seasons? Pretty please! At least a little! I loved that about RF4, it made the game so much cuter. It made me feel a bit represented, being non-heterosexual myself, and that was a great feeling. I'm sure other people felt like that too,

I'm not totally sure if this question is talking about avoiding pronouns or making everyone’s sexuality sort of neutral, so I’ll try and answer both. Sorry if I’m not answering correctly. If a scene is exclusive to the female protagonist, we’re going to use pronouns indicative of females. If it’s exclusive to the male protagonist, we’ll indicate as much. Otherwise it’ll be what it’s supposed to be, like we’ll avoid pronouns if they’re meant for both the male and female protagonist. You can’t really do that as a whole without sounding extremely stilted because English wasn’t really built upon sounding natural when constantly avoiding pronouns, unlike Japanese. I do understand the need for someone who doesn’t identify with male or female pronouns to feel represented, but the main characters in SoS do identify as male and female, so we’ll use them when appropriate in context for a smoother localization. Whatever characters do identify as in the game, we’ll use. How characters act towards each other in the Japanese, we’ll also use. For example (and this is a general example, not an example of use in the game since I haven’t yet seen the story text directly), were someone born male to identify as female, we’d use female pronouns wherever we could. However, if there was one character who didn’t quite understand that, they’d use male pronouns instead as less of a recognition of what that other character identifies as and more of a personality quirk because they’re hard-headed or whatever. For those that did understand, they’d use female pronouns.
For in case this is meant for dialogue that made half the characters’ sexuality questionable at times (I always did feel like I should’ve been able to marry Margaret as Frey)…we’ll follow whatever the Japanese has as well, like we did with RF4. We did have our fun with the dialogue and we’re certainly the type to roll with whatever’s going on instead of tone it down, but we did pretty much keep it like the Japanese. We just added…our lovely personality. People like personality, right?

interesting. I figured as much, but at least we know for sure and the idea has been brought to their attention.

It's not only him who wants equality. There's a lot of people who feel excluded and we have all the right to at least complain. If you don't like that we've a voice, then don't read this comments.

*her sweetie
(if you're referring to me that is lol)

Personally, I don't really care about pronouns. At the end of the day, all I'm staring at is a bunch of pretty pixels on the screen, and if said pixels are being referred to as something different from what I'm imagining them to be, I'll just switch it round in my head. English is not a good language to try and be gender-neutral all the time, otherwise it just comes across very formal and strange, with no personality.

Can't wait for this game now. I adore the localisation in RF4, and now that I have my US 3DS, I'll be able to enjoy XSEED's version straight off the bat, instead of waiting over a year for it.

that's what I've always tried to do, and it never works. even after reading so much fanfiction in my youth and being able to 'autocorrect' grammar mistakes in my head before I consciously recognized them, for some reason I always notice when they refer to me with the wrong pronoun/ext and that nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach just doesn't go away.

I am hoping playing basically as Haruka (Sailor Moon) and being particularly butch (as she was often referred to and thought of as a boy/Michiru's boyfriend) I just might be able to put up with it. (though that will mean I won't be able to wear a lot of what I'm excited for =/)

[Mecha-Lollipop]

As far as pronouns go.. I don't tend to mind either. I mean..occasionally things do work out to sound a bit awkward but I tend to have a laugh at those bits. Such as being referred to as someone's "husband" when I cross dress. (Though I referred to Vishnal in RF4 as my waifu..)
I wear baggy clothes often and have my hair cut short as a personal preference so it's happened quite a few times that kids have come up to me and sweetly asked if I was a boy or a girl and I have friends that call me "dude".

I suppose I sort of view it like Haruhi from Ouran High school Host Club when she says: "Listen, Senpai, I don't really care whether you guys recognize me as a boy or a girl. In my opinion it's more important for a person to be recognized for who they are rather than for what « Chicken Hugging » they are."

[Guest]

fascinating. I'm even more angry about allen though if that's true. I expected better from them, especially since this is a "kid's game". such people should not be shown as acceptable dating options to children or anyone.

but that's completely off topic and I don't feel like putting up with his psycho fangirls (if they're as bad here as they were on tumblr at least..)

I really do hope (and expect) that we don't loose anything with any of the characters this time. I do however, hope things don't stay *too* literal, like that seed I think you and Hatsuu were talking about before, what was thought to be a cherry blossom (I think?) would be translated using a Spanish word? that'd be crazy confusing to me and I'd have no idea what anything is if they do that with too many things. like I get there's a lot of plants that I don't know the name of, but still.

I mean, there comes a point when really close/literal translations just get weird. (like that infamous Death Note seen with the subtitle "all according to my kekaishi" with a translator's note "kekaishi means plan")

It really seems like you are trying to exclude people as much as possible here, first you insult females for liking yaoi couples and now you're insulting people who like Allen. I think you should really pull back the reigns on how freely you speak about everything.

Totally agree with fishy here. I mean I like wooing Allen cause i don't always like going for goody-two-shoes and adorable sweet characters all the time when I'm playing a game. I have a fair share of time doing that in real life. So Allen is something different to me and yes, different people have different taste preferences and quirks.

And I do think her phrase saying "I don't feel like putting up with his psycho fangirls (if they're as bad here as they were on tumblr at least..)" is quite harsh to be honest. It's one thing to have an opinion, and it's another to present it in a rude manner.Ironically, she is being somewhat like Allen, despite disliking him for being abusive and awful. And before I was accused as one of those psycho fangirls, i'll just say this here that this is the first time that I actually disagree with people saying Allen is horrible, just because the poor way the opinion is voiced.

I completely agree with you and the fishie. I absolutely have no idea why Allen is hated so much. I mean, he gets so much more hate than he deserves from everyone, it makes me rather sad since he's the only bachelor I liked. I'm by no means one of his 'psycho fangirls' as Taniyama so kindly put it, and I think it's horrible to attack someone so viciously just for liking/disliking a character, but I really feel all the hate towards him is undeserved.

Seriously, take Michelle for example. She is manipulative, a gold-digger, and an all around unpleasant character who never gets better and nobody has ever complained or insulted her for that. I think it's rather unfair to gang up on the guy but overlook all of the bad traits in a girl like Michelle.

This is just my two cents on the topic though, and sorry if I come off as rude or off-topic.

[Taniyama Mai]

little fishy, do you think you could try and focus on the topic, or at least add something to the topic if you're going to continue this?

Spoiler:

I completely agree with you and the fishie. I absolutely have no idea why Allen is hated so much. I mean, he gets so much more hate than he deserves from everyone, it makes me rather sad since he's the only bachelor I liked. I'm by no means one of his 'psycho fangirls' as Taniyama so kindly put it, and I think it's horrible to attack someone so viciously just for liking/disliking a character, but I really feel all the hate towards him is undeserved.

Seriously, take Michelle for example. She is manipulative, a gold-digger, and an all around unpleasant character who never gets better and nobody has ever complained or insulted her for that. I think it's rather unfair to gang up on the guy but overlook all of the bad traits in a girl like Michelle.

This is just my two cents on the topic though, and sorry if I come off as rude or off-topic.

well, maybe if you actually looked into it, like I dunno, google check lists for domestic abuse (particularly mental/emotional rather than physical) and compare the things he says. do some research instead of blindly wondering why a bunch of abuse survivors might possibly be saying he's abusive and triggered flashbacks to their abuse.

and after all the things his fans put me through, "psycho" is putting it "kindly". also, when did I attack anyone? did I call anyone out? did I attack anyone specific, or did I simply point out that there are crazy fans out there I'd rather not deal with? because please by all means show me where I attacked anyone.

and personally, I can't say anything for michelle because I never met her in-game, as did many others because they were too uncomfortable to play that far because of allen. but I suggest, if you want her more talked about, talk about her. but don't derail discussions by abuse survivors simply because you don't like them talking critically about a character you like.

and btw, "nobody has ever complained or insulted her for that" is absolutely false. I have had many conversations about both characters on more than one website. I suggest you look closer before making such general statements.

now, for anyone else wanting to continue this little topic, I suggest making an account, stop hiding behind anon, and talk to me personally instead of continuing to derail this thread even farther. (or at minimum keep it under spoiler and add something to the actual topic please)

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

[centen]

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

The only new information is that some twitter posted an open letter to XSEED making demands (e.g. killing animals for furs, NO inclusive marriage options, removal of the Harvest Goddess and Witch Princess to be replaced with a Christian church). And this was XSEED's response:


And the tweeter demanded an apology and stated that US consumers don't want the game.

[RopeMaidenKirie]

Since they are very early in the localization process we're probably not going to hear very much news until later on in the year. Next big thing will most likely be the demo at E3.

You can bet people will post any new info though as it comes though. I might transform my general discussion thread into a tumblr/twitter/fb faq thread for people who don't have a lot of time to keep up. I did that with RF4 and people seemed to like it.

[Blue Rose]

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

The only new information is that some twitter posted an open letter to XSEED making demands (e.g. killing animals for furs, NO inclusive marriage options, removal of the Harvest Goddess and Witch Princess to be replaced with a Christian church). And this was XSEED's response:


And the tweeter demanded an apology and stated that US consumers don't want the game.

Spoiler:

Eww.

[Guest]

little fishy, do you think you could try and focus on the topic, or at least add something to the topic if you're going to continue this?

Spoiler:

I completely agree with you and the fishie. I absolutely have no idea why Allen is hated so much. I mean, he gets so much more hate than he deserves from everyone, it makes me rather sad since he's the only bachelor I liked. I'm by no means one of his 'psycho fangirls' as Taniyama so kindly put it, and I think it's horrible to attack someone so viciously just for liking/disliking a character, but I really feel all the hate towards him is undeserved.

Seriously, take Michelle for example. She is manipulative, a gold-digger, and an all around unpleasant character who never gets better and nobody has ever complained or insulted her for that. I think it's rather unfair to gang up on the guy but overlook all of the bad traits in a girl like Michelle.

This is just my two cents on the topic though, and sorry if I come off as rude or off-topic.

well, maybe if you actually looked into it, like I dunno, google check lists for domestic abuse (particularly mental/emotional rather than physical) and compare the things he says. do some research instead of blindly wondering why a bunch of abuse survivors might possibly be saying he's abusive and triggered flashbacks to their abuse.

and after all the things his fans put me through, "psycho" is putting it "kindly". also, when did I attack anyone? did I call anyone out? did I attack anyone specific, or did I simply point out that there are crazy fans out there I'd rather not deal with? because please by all means show me where I attacked anyone.

and personally, I can't say anything for michelle because I never met her in-game, as did many others because they were too uncomfortable to play that far because of allen. but I suggest, if you want her more talked about, talk about her. but don't derail discussions by abuse survivors simply because you don't like them talking critically about a character you like.

and btw, "nobody has ever complained or insulted her for that" is absolutely false. I have had many conversations about both characters on more than one website. I suggest you look closer before making such general statements.

now, for anyone else wanting to continue this little topic, I suggest making an account, stop hiding behind anon, and talk to me personally instead of continuing to derail this thread even farther. (or at minimum keep it under spoiler and add something to the actual topic please)

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

Spoiler:

I am aware of all of the 'emotional domestic abuse' situations you know. But comparing them to the personality of a fictional character is absurd. It's not like Allen seriously means everything he says, perhaps if you had just given him a chance you would be aware of this.

Also, I never said you were the one attacking people, I actually meant the people that were attacking you and sending you death/rape threats over tumblr which is what I meant by 'viciously'.

One more thing, why would someone stop playing just because of Allen? They aren't required to talk to him, why complain about a character you hate when you didn't even try to know the guy completely? I brought up Michelle since her personality is by far the worst out of all the ANB characters and was baffled by the amount of hate Allen gets in comparison to her.

And before I forget, I wasn't 'derailing' the discussions from abuse survivors at all. When did I do that? It just seems silly to me that someone would get so angry over a fictional character who was never intended to be an 'abusive husband' as many put it.

Also, to add to the discussion of the topic, I really hope we at least get some sort of a pre-order bonus. Even if it's just that rabbit strap.

[kikicat119]

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

The only new information is that some twitter posted an open letter to XSEED making demands (e.g. killing animals for furs, NO inclusive marriage options, removal of the Harvest Goddess and Witch Princess to be replaced with a Christian church). And this was XSEED's response:


And the tweeter demanded an apology and stated that US consumers don't want the game.

I feel like they should be attacking some other video game franchise. Like basically any other franchise. If harvest moon isn't innocent enough for them then I don't think there are many games that are.

[Guest]

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

The only new information is that some twitter posted an open letter to XSEED making demands (e.g. killing animals for furs, NO inclusive marriage options, removal of the Harvest Goddess and Witch Princess to be replaced with a Christian church). And this was XSEED's response:


And the tweeter demanded an apology and stated that US consumers don't want the game.

Is this a joke? If it isn't just....what? Why would anyone feel the need to write something like this?

[centen]

Right? I kind of want to tweet XSEED, even though I rarely use my twitter, just to say that the crazy tweeter doesn't represent the majority of SoS fans.

Harvest Goddess and Witch Princess are two of the best characters. (Admittedly, not all of their renditions are equally good, but I'm really excited for SoS's chibi versions.)

And I can honestly say, I have never once thought to myself, "You know what this game needs? A mini-game where you catch and skin an animal for its fur."

[Melody Muse]

now, in an attempt to bring this back around, have we heard anything new from XSEED? I don't have a twitter nor really know how to use it and I have FB blocked on my system so other than Hatsuu's tumblr I can't see what's being said. otherwise I'd try and find something to add myself.

The only new information is that some twitter posted an open letter to XSEED making demands (e.g. killing animals for furs, NO inclusive marriage options, removal of the Harvest Goddess and Witch Princess to be replaced with a Christian church). And this was XSEED's response:


And the tweeter demanded an apology and stated that US consumers don't want the game.

I believe they are just trying to get a rise out of fans. I can't see that as being remotely serious/not a troll (especially as if they want a game like that they can go play Shepherd's Crossing for some of that content).

I am happy with how XSeed handled that comment, but in the end, I really believe that person just wants a rise out of the community.