Mutation Info, Research, and Theories (Updated 7/10)

[trichorse]

I saw in on one of the dream scence that "it seems there is a fertilizer that can make plants mutate" or something along those lines.

[~Milotic~]

Does anyone know all the known Fertilizers

[AlexRae]

Assuming that Sally, Tabitha, the Harvest Goddess (or her male counterpart), and Gorgon do not give any more fertilizer recipes, the Fertilizer tabs in my spreadsheets are essentially complete Milotic. Have at it.

[~Milotic~]

Thanks AlexRae Unfortunately i can not view it since my only means of internet is my 3ds xl. (I don't have a computer)

Anyways some anonymous Fish posted about Pearl Onions, Specifically talking about CeeCee's Developer Diary #3. Here is the link to that Diary of CeeCee's Read the Second Paragraph

http://www.natsume.com/community/archiv ... -3321.html

[Lirishae]

Hmm. Given that was posted in late September, it's pretty unlikely that very much if anything changed prior to release. The game probably went to manufacturing around that time, so there would have been very little time if any to change anything. The other info mentioned in that thread is also consistent with the retail release of the game, meaning it also wasn't changed prior to release. It's also very specific in saying that pearl onions come from plain onion seeds, rather than being stated in such a way that it could be interpreted to mean "pearl onions are a type of onion mutation." CeeCee was also pretty careful in that thread to make sure what she said was consistent with the retail release, too. We don't have an onion mutation in fall, and real-life pearl onions should be started in fall if grown from seed (at least according to the website I was looking at). Petite Onions failed to mutate in fall, so I guess I'll try plain onions and see if I get anything. Too bad we didn't discover this earlier, but it's still nice to know now. Glad that person brought it to our attention ^^

@AlexRae: Do you know the reward for April's tenth request? It's not on your sheet, but it's very likely to be a fertilizer of some kind. And while we're talking about quest rewards, Emily's Fall Cooking 1 reward is Great Barley Flour x5 and Great Bread x3. Seriously, why does barely anyone give a reward that's even roughly equal in value to what you give them? >_> I've found maybe three seasonal quests that are worth doing for their rewards; the rest are garbage. Gareth's thing appears to be giving you various types of cornmeal...but the only cornmeal that are used in any recipes are regular cornmeal and regular fodder cornmeal. >_>

@Milotic: Here's a list of known fertilizers. Italics denotes which ones you have to make yourself because they can't be bought from Sam.

Fertilizer
Peach Compost
Apple Compost
Orange Compost
Mosquitofish Blend
Carp Blend
Barbatus Blend
Goby Blend
Berry Blend
Tomato Blend
Corn blend
Barley Blend
Durum Wheat Blend
Organic Compost
Berry Super Blend
Tomato Super Blend
Corn Super Blend
Barley Super Blend
Durum Super Blend
Pure Organic
EX Organic
SP Organic
Organic Omega

Edit: @trichorse: Sorry I forgot to respond to you >_< Thanks for posting that! Although, it's hard to say just from that if it means there is a kind of fertilizer that will increase mutation chances (like osteae has been finding corn fertilizer to do) or if it means there are specific fertilizers needed to get mutations (like Red Zeppelin and tomato fertilizer).

[osteae01]

The reward for April's 10th request is 5 SP Organic fertilizer and I think one other thing, but I can't remember. I do remember the fertilizer part though.

[Cherubae]

You're right on with the 5 SP Fertilizer. She doesn't give anything else other than that.

[Lirishae]

No luck with plain onions in fall. I planted them at the following places:

-HE+11 through HE-19, dry soil, one plant on each level
-HE-3 dry soil, 7 plants (ran out of seeds and was too lazy to buy two more to make a 3x3 patch)
-HE+11, lush soil, 9 plants
-HE+11, swampy soil, 9 plants
-HE-3, lush soil, 16 plants
-HE-10, swampy soil, 9 plants
-HE-13, lush soil, 9 plants
-HE-13, swampy soil, 9 plants

Rowan was used, no fertilizer, reloaded five times, watered every other day, and weather on harvest was sunny, cloudy, and foggy.

[AlexRae]

Thank you for the reminder re: April's last request, whoops! And thanks for the info on Em's seasonal. I think your theory that they're mostly there for "goals" for people who need to "do" something and for people who don't max chemistry via chatting (why WOULDN'T you, geez).

I just finished sowing strawberry on marsh from HE+11 to HE-19 and white berry on lush (with the occasional patchy and marsh) from the same, will all be growing/maturing in Winter. I'm not sure what to do with my dry terraces - either all of one or alternating between the two, since it's likely there's no single elevation that's the magic bullet for a mutation.

I'm also going to hate everything the first season that I have to pull dead plants up for.

I CAN confirm that white berries only require 50 to unlock though, not a crazy 99.

[trichorse]

Also on that page with CeeCee, someone asks if the seasonal requests have anything to do with a particular crop being easier to get in that season and she says "Sometimes, not always." >.< Which means crops we think grow in a certain season because of a seasonal request might not...or at least that's how I interpret it.

Edit: @AlexRae, I think that generally, multiple harvest crops take 50 to unlock, and single harvest crops take 30, with the exception of flowers which take 50.

Edit2: Also found on a gamefaqs forum, Chrysoberyl stated "Unconfirmed, but read elsewhere:
Angel's Lantern - White Berries grown with Super Berry Fertilizer (didn't see what season)." Wish we had more information or knew if this was even accurate, but unfortuantely we don't. >.<

[AlexRae]

Yeah, we've been exploring that re: Angel Lanterns idea for a while. It's why I made the In Search of Angel Lanterns spreadsheet. And I bothered to mention that White Berry follows the same pattern because there was a rumor going around that it required a full stack, but most people unlock White Berry without much notice because it's a natural part of the early game, so I went ahead and took note on my new file.

I can also say that my Strawberry on Marsh did not yield any mutations besides white berry from HE+4 through HE-2 within 30 resets that had a mixture of rainy and sunny days (pretty close to 50/50 if not slightly biased towards rainy). Now being as 1. first harvest 2. first crop growth on the field in question, I'm not sure if this is a perfect test but after 30 resets of that harvest I was kind of "... no" and moved on. It was weird though, maybe it was just RNG, but rainy seemed to suppress White Berry mutations. Could be the soil was TOO Wet - I'd been unable to savescum out of 3 rainy days in a row. Due to lack of variable knowledge, I'm not going to put these for sure down as not the right mixture in the Angel Lantern, but I am going to put it in the failed mutations sheet just so we know it was there.

[cradke]

No mutations with:
Season - fall
Onion (6), Scallions (6), Petite Onion (6)
HE -16 (lush/patchy), HE -13 (lush/patchy), HE -11(lush/patchy & swampy), HE -4 (lush/patchy), HE -2 (lush/patchy), HE (barren), HE +9 (lush/patchy)
No fertilizer, but used Rowan (100%)

I also tried baby carrots with the same conditions. I've been trying for Pearl onion and mandrake.

[~Milotic~]

Okay Just an update on Summer

No Mutations with Onions at all Levels (1 - 31) on Lush soil or barren soil.

[osteae01]

So, this is quite a read, but if we want to think that some of the crops might be related to real life crops and growing conditions, this might be helpful. Looks like spring/fall might be the best season for growing pearl onions. Also looks like it might need a lot of fertilizer/compost to keep the soil balanced. Also, dry, well drained soil with plenty of sunlight. I think that would translate to a dry or patchy soil, with one of the compost based fertilizers. Here's the link: http://www.no-dig-vegetablegarden.com/g ... nions.html

[osteae01]

Sorry for the double post. I just realized that saying one of the compost based fertilizers was silly, since they all are. I meant one that calls for a higher amount of compost than others. Maybe one of the organic blends?