Fire Emblem Fates- Released!- Heavy spoiler warning! Beware!

[Poppyseed]

Now that you mention it, seeing your favorite characters not liking you and potentially fighting them - and even "worse", does make me....even more EXCITED, bro. C'mon IS bring on the PAIN.

I never really got the incest thing either. As a person who likes close siblings relationships, people who get all grossed out by brother and sister siblings doing anything other than quarreling with each other I don't understand. Eirkika and Ephraim's A support was cute gosh DARN IT~

Back to IF, I just realized how ugly Nohr daddy's beard is. Yuck. I really do hope he isn't stereotypical evil dude. Not that that'd be bad...but...

[RopeMaidenKirie]

^Exactly xD

2ch made a super cool comparison chart of most of the characters and sprites we've seen so far. A bit outdated since the last scans, but still neat.

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Also joining in on the Saizou hype train, I didn't really notice him much before but I like his design quite a bit lol

[Bluie]

I know its probably a bit early, but does anyone know how much these games will be going for on the JPN eShop when released?

I'm currently debating if I should order a physical copy and do the painful waiting or get it instantaneously on release day. The price will sway me either way though. Ive decided on the Light version and its about $57 CAD from PlayAsia, which is not horrible, but still kinda high imo.

[RopeMaidenKirie]

I looked it up, and it's $57 without shipping? Damn. I'd suggest using CDJapan (I've used them a lot for most of my otomes) as they are always so much cheaper than Playasia, and the service is just as good, if not better.

http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/CTR-P-BFXJ for $47 CAD.

Yeah, when Awakening came out on the eshop in Japan it was around ¥4800 so I'm expecting it to not to be much different this time around. Though Awakening didn't come out until almost the following year on digital, but they've already announced digital day one for if's release. You'll probably save around $20 going digital considering shipping prices, and if you have to deal with any pesky import fees.

[Bluie]

I just might go digital then because 4800 yen roughly translates to $40 CDN as the Yen has been at par with us for months now. I still only have the SD card it came with but those aren't hard to find/buy for good prices.

But as long as the block size fits I probably won't worry too much about it.

Thanks for all the info~

[RopeMaidenKirie]

Awakening was around 8500 blocks I think, so not too too bad if it's comparable to that.

No prob! That's what I'm doing too since it costs an arm and a leg here in Quebec to import stuff.

[Ronin19]

I have a feeling If will be more than that since the game will practically have 3 games in one with the 3 different routes.

[RopeMaidenKirie]

Yeah, she only mentioned getting the Hoshido route at first, so it should be comparable I think. But for anyone wanting to go all digital I'd probably at least keep 24,000 blocks open (or more) just in case.

I'll need a new card for it myself. ; ;

[Ronin19]

I barely have anything downloaded, so I think I'll be good for all three routes. Can't wait to hear more about the game as the release date for Japan gets closer!

[sadeofraine]

I would like it if there were romantic supports, but my excitement hasn't gone down any. I would like it if there were a couple of options (specifically a same-« Chicken Hugging » option), but I'll live. :'D I...actually like the idea of Phoenix mode, because I absolutely suck at strategy and if I don't get all three routes, I'm going for Nohr. From this point, honestly I'd be happy so long as they don't pull that "Ylisse is pure and wonderful and good and PLEGIA IS EVIL. EVIL. EVIL BABY EATING SATANISTS WHO KICK PUPPIES AND EAT THE LAST COOKIE IN THE COOKIE JAR AND TALK TO CROWS. SERIOUSLY. « Snuggly Bunny » THOSE GUYS" that Awakening spoon fed us (yes, I know they said at points Ylisse caused problems, but when that's brushed aside by the Unwaveringly Good Heroes and every single Plegian character is "just weird, yo", it falls flat).

That PROBABLY won't happen this time. I just hope they make it clear that Hoshido aren't goody-goodies. It is promising that they made Nohr "glory" instead of "EVIL WAR ARRRRRRRRRGH" Possibly some very interesting politics and large gray areas, which makes me very happy. :'D

[RopeMaidenKirie]

I'd be happy so long as they don't pull that "Ylisse is pure and wonderful and good and PLEGIA IS EVIL. EVIL. EVIL BABY EATING SATANISTS WHO KICK PUPPIES AND EAT THE LAST COOKIE IN THE COOKIE JAR AND TALK TO CROWS. SERIOUSLY. « Snuggly Bunny » THOSE GUYS" that Awakening spoon fed us (yes, I know they said at points Ylisse caused problems, but when that's brushed aside by the Unwaveringly Good Heroes and every single Plegian character is "just weird, yo", it falls flat).

That PROBABLY won't happen this time. I just hope they make it clear that Hoshido aren't goody-goodies. It is promising that they made Nohr "glory" instead of "EVIL WAR ARRRRRRRRRGH" Possibly some very interesting politics and large gray areas, which makes me very happy. :'D

I'm glad someone else was really bothered by that in FE:A. I really wish the game went into more detail on the holy crusade that Ylisse waged against Plegia, since Ylisse practically almost destroyed both countries thanks to Chrom's and Em's father 15 years prior to Awakening. Not that Plegia was right in their war against Ylisse, but it was only 15 years after they were almost annihilated, so the vengeance they sought, while not justifiable, could lead people to be a touch bit more sympathetic towards them I think. Unfortunately like you said it was almost completely brushed aside in a "oh btw this happened nbd" sort of way lol. They could have done some neat things with it :/ such a shame.

I think at least by Aqua being a prisoner of war shows that Hoshido aren't truly goody-goody, but I guess that remains to be seen. I do hope for ample amounts of grey on both sides though! Will make the neutral route or whatever really interesting, since it's supposed to be a "you don't side with anyone" route.

Interesting topic over on SF so I'll ask over here, but which overall character designs do you like better as a whole? Awakening or if? Obviously subject to change when we see more characters.

[Ronin19]

With the character designs alone I like them both. It's like comparing a green and red apple. They're both apples, but they taste different. It probably has something to do with the artist, who I'm assuming is the same. If it were something more obvious like comparing ANB's character design and SoS's that would be like comparing an apple to an orange where you just like one better than the other no matter what.

[RopeMaidenKirie]

Hmm, I disagree slightly. I think they are easily comparable personally by overall aesthetic, especially since they are done by the same artist. Obviously they aren't a 1/1 comparison, but I think it's close enough to make some sort of fun comparisons. Obviously liking both of them equally is just as valid though. It's just for fun anyways!

Like for instance, I enjoy Hinoka's design over Cordelia (they are both of the Pegusas rider variety) though I really dislike garter belts that they both wear > >;
Troubadour type characters: Maribelle vs. Elise - Gotta go with Maribelle if only because I really dislike Elise's weird looking twintails.

Main heroine - Lucina vs. Aqua (I prefer Aqua's design because of the coloring)
Lord/Leading dudes - Chrom vs. Marx vs. Ryouma (I prefer Marx > Chrom > Ryouma's designs)
Robin vs. Kamui (I prefer Kamui's default appearance)
Emmeryn vs. Hoshido lady (Prefer Em, although I like Hoshido lady's clothing better)
etc
Myrmidon/Swordmaster types- Say'ri vs. Kazahana. Haven't seen Kazahana fully (only her sprite) but I'd say they are about equal imo. Maybe a slight edge to Kazahana.
Bowman types: Virion vs. Takumi: Sorry Takumi, Virion by a landslide xD

[sadeofraine]

I'd be happy so long as they don't pull that "Ylisse is pure and wonderful and good and PLEGIA IS EVIL. EVIL. EVIL BABY EATING SATANISTS WHO KICK PUPPIES AND EAT THE LAST COOKIE IN THE COOKIE JAR AND TALK TO CROWS. SERIOUSLY. « Snuggly Bunny » THOSE GUYS" that Awakening spoon fed us (yes, I know they said at points Ylisse caused problems, but when that's brushed aside by the Unwaveringly Good Heroes and every single Plegian character is "just weird, yo", it falls flat).

That PROBABLY won't happen this time. I just hope they make it clear that Hoshido aren't goody-goodies. It is promising that they made Nohr "glory" instead of "EVIL WAR ARRRRRRRRRGH" Possibly some very interesting politics and large gray areas, which makes me very happy. :'D

I'm glad someone else was really bothered by that in FE:A. I really wish the game went into more detail on the holy crusade that Ylisse waged against Plegia, since Ylisse practically almost destroyed both countries thanks to Chrom's and Em's father 15 years prior to Awakening. Not that Plegia was right in their war against Ylisse, but it was only 15 years after they were almost annihilated, so the vengeance they sought, while not justifiable, could lead people to be a touch bit more sympathetic towards them I think. Unfortunately like you said it was almost completely brushed aside in a "oh btw this happened nbd" sort of way lol. They could have done some neat things with it :/ such a shame.

I think at least by Aqua being a prisoner of war shows that Hoshido aren't truly goody-goody, but I guess that remains to be seen. I do hope for ample amounts of grey on both sides though! Will make the neutral route or whatever really interesting, since it's supposed to be a "you don't side with anyone" route.

Interesting topic over on SF so I'll ask over here, but which overall character designs do you like better as a whole? Awakening or if? Obviously subject to change when we see more characters.

HIGH FIVE, KIRIE. It felt like a big missed opportunity. So many places they could've taken it and just..."okay guys Ylisse = Good Plegia = Evil" even though they admitted that the former Exalt waged a crusade against Plegia. Really, I felt sorry for the Plegian people. First they get slaughtered by Ylisse, then they get this crazy « Mr.Gourmet's hat » king, and an

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even crazier assed cult led by a guy who may as well carried around a flashing neon sign that said "I AM EVIL, MUAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAA!"

But then the good Plegian characters are made really...strange, and all their darker aspects mostly played for lols. orz It's like...I don't wanna excuse Plegia's wrongdoings because they were wrong, but at the same time I'm like...you do know Gangrel had a point when he called the Ylisseans a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites, right? I really do love and enjoy Awakening, and I can understand them not wanting to take too big a risk, and I've gathered the older games were a lot grayer and at the time Awakening was a swan song of sorts. But still, missed opportunities eat at me, and they still could have made Ylisse the good guys, just show that Plegia had some points and rather complex, and that Ylisse wasn't virtually flawless. It almost feels like they tried in some way to show that, but didn't follow that trail for some reason. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for If. Come on, game, give us some subverted tropes. Folks love gray stuff. :'D But yeah, I've started considering the neutral route to be the true route, and the other two sympathetic but deeply flawed. Maybe pulling a Megami Tensei on us with the routes. :'D and wow this got a lil ranty sorry guys

I haven't looked too much at the character art, but so far it looks a bit more polished than Awakening, although almost exactly alike otherwise. Aqua for instance looks almost exactly like Lucina. Just longer hair and a palette swap and there you go. My biggest thing is holy « Puppy Doodoo » they have feet. SUCH HEELS. MUCH TOES. WOW.

[RopeMaidenKirie]

Haha no worries, there's no new if information, so might as well keep the thread active.

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I sooooo agree on everything you said. The poor Plegian people got screwed from all angles imo. I also agree that the characters from Plegia were made caricatures of the "dark and edgy" variety, which is a shame. Then again, while I love Awakening, I think in general they relied on caricatures way too much for some of the characters (looking at you, Kellam) and it's something I really hope FE: if does a bit better. There's nothing wrong with having fun characters and tropes, but some of them were way too amplified for my own personal tastes. Could be just me though. Although the translation is a bit to blame for some of it (inserted jokes that weren't in the original, changes to personality from what I've heard (Henry in particular). I hope the localization reigns it in a bit.

I think that maybe if they would have focused on the Ylisse vs. Plegia storyline and fleshed it out instead of having that whole Valm arc, we probably would have both been a bit happier xD; While I like the Valm folks (Say'ri, Virion, Cherche, etc) and I understood why we went there, I feel like it was kind of a wasted part of the story. I dunno. Maybe it's just that I didn't find Walmart a very interesting "villain". Maybe I just wish that after Gangrel was "killed" we could have gone to Plegia or something as one of the missions. Would have been so cool!

It sounds like we both like the political aspects of these stories, so maybe that's why we're both really excited for if's story? :'D I really really hope that if's routes really have some weight to them. Bring on the death, heartache and twists! (hopefully)