[quote="SakuraMota"][quote="Anonymous Fish"][quote="SakuraMota"]I honestly have no clue where the 64/BtN looking better rhetoric comes from. Like...no? Like, the textures in those games are pretty rough. That criticism is absolutely bizarre to me.[/quote]
That applies to pretty much all games from that gen. The N64 can only go so far.[/quote]
Of course. My point was against the ludicrous criticism that 64/BtN look graphically better than LoH. I could see an argument for someone saying they prefer the art direction in those games, but saying the graphics alone are better is just bizarre. I love the hell out of BtN, but my nostalgia goggles aren't fastened [i]that[/i] tight.[/quote]
I've seen people say plenty of PS1/N64/DOS games look better than specific modern games. It's all up to interpretation. We're not talking about the base graphics themselves but the entire design put together. To me, 64 is lowpoly but it has a perfectly fine styling to it.
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No one cared about LOH anyway. Look up any non-HM fan or casual HM fan reaction online and it's all negative. I thought TLV was nice but LOH is looking lackluster. There's no way it would ever hold a penny to Stardew. Stardew was incredibly well-received, more so than any HM/SOS game I've seen in years.
About the Natsume HM games...
OMG YAAAASSSS!!!! starts saving money for a Switch...Bluie wrote:Just popping in again as Stardew Valley got it's release date for Switch (Oct 5) and everyone is freaking out so much that it's on the front page of Reddit.
RIP Light of Hope and any chances it had.
In all honesty Stardew Valley is one of the games that makes me WANT a Switch! Otherwise I'm pretty meh to it overall. It needs more games. >.>
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The more I see in general the more I realize I don't exist.Anonymous Fish wrote:I've seen people say plenty of PS1/N64/DOS games look better than specific modern games. It's all up to interpretation. We're not talking about the base graphics themselves but the entire design put together. To me, 64 is lowpoly but it has a perfectly fine styling to it.SakuraMota wrote:Of course. My point was against the ludicrous criticism that 64/BtN look graphically better than LoH. I could see an argument for someone saying they prefer the art direction in those games, but saying the graphics alone are better is just bizarre. I love the hell out of BtN, but my nostalgia goggles aren't fastened that tight.Anonymous Fish wrote:That applies to pretty much all games from that gen. The N64 can only go so far.SakuraMota wrote:I honestly have no clue where the 64/BtN looking better rhetoric comes from. Like...no? Like, the textures in those games are pretty rough. That criticism is absolutely bizarre to me.
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No one cared about LOH anyway. Look up any non-HM fan or casual HM fan reaction online and it's all negative. I thought TLV was nice but LOH is looking lackluster. There's no way it would ever hold a penny to Stardew. Stardew was incredibly well-received, more so than any HM/SOS game I've seen in years.
The problem is also all the selling it short and Natsume hate, they really don't help. I'd imagine there's quite a few that'd enjoy them but never give them a chance because SoS gets more hype. In my experience it's better to learn about gameplay than look at the scores, but then again a huge Grand Bazaar fan so take that as you will.
You're a small piece of a big pie. SV had been put on a pedestal so damn high, that only Bokumono is seen as it's worthy rival. Most people look at Natsume's series and ignore/complain about it because of the whole split + the fact that the quality of their games are questionable.SakuraMota wrote:I mean, I'm getting both, so....
Like I said, I enjoy them for different things.
This is coming from someone who really enjoyed LV and Skytree. I will eventually get Lighthouse, but as have to manage my money and choose my games carefully, i'd rather get the superior product. Sure, i'll eventually own both, but Stardew got here first and looks a hell of a lot better too.
Most people are just going to get Stardew and call it a day.
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Absolutely this. I also find it a bit presumptuous to say that BokuMono is the only "worthy" rival. BokuMono has plenty of flaws. If anything, I'd say the only "worthy" rival is Rune Factory, but who knows when we'll see another one of those, sadly.Getaris wrote:Anyway, why is Stardew Valley coming to yet another console suddenly the absolute end of the road? Isn't that just a tad fatalist?
I mean, I know it's cool to dismiss natsume and stuff, but let's be realist for a bit. All three series can coexist.
@Chaos: Don't you know, it's an accepted fact that Natsume has no fans. Different people can't like different things. /s
Like, everyone can like different things, but seriously, the assumed, "no one likes this" attitude is very saddening. :c I actually enjoy the Nats games quite a bit. I also enjoy SoS and Stardew. I enjoy each one for different things. It also is funny to me that Nats is the one demonized for the split when Marvelous is the one who instigated the whole thing and didn't opt to take the Harvest Moon label with them. :T That isn't me saying Marvelous/XSeed should be demonized, that's me saying no one should be demonized.
Agreed. I have only recently realized that the new Natsume games are fun if you go in with different expectations. Now I quite enjoy them! ^-^ They aren't my favorite, but I like designing my valley way more than I thought I would and the mutation thing is cool and fun! If nothing else I am excited to see where they go in the future!SakuraMota wrote:Absolutely this. I also find it a bit presumptuous to say that BokuMono is the only "worthy" rival. BokuMono has plenty of flaws. If anything, I'd say the only "worthy" rival is Rune Factory, but who knows when we'll see another one of those, sadly.Getaris wrote:Anyway, why is Stardew Valley coming to yet another console suddenly the absolute end of the road? Isn't that just a tad fatalist?
I mean, I know it's cool to dismiss natsume and stuff, but let's be realist for a bit. All three series can coexist.
@Chaos: Don't you know, it's an accepted fact that Natsume has no fans. Different people can't like different things. /s
Like, everyone can like different things, but seriously, the assumed, "no one likes this" attitude is very saddening. :c I actually enjoy the Nats games quite a bit. I also enjoy SoS and Stardew. I enjoy each one for different things. It also is funny to me that Nats is the one demonized for the split when Marvelous is the one who instigated the whole thing and didn't opt to take the Harvest Moon label with them. :T That isn't me saying Marvelous/XSeed should be demonized, that's me saying no one should be demonized.
I am a firm fan of Harvest Moon, Story of Seasons, Rune Factory, AND Stardew Valley and that is ok! The biggest difference now is that it's Stardew, but portable.
And i'm not totally dismissing Natsume, but let's be real here, the attempt to continue a long running series in their own way VS the literal homage to Bokumono. Natsume is trying but imo, not hard enough. They're on a long, uphill battle. And while all three can co-exist, it's obvious which ones are beloved while others are tolerated.
Case and point.
Harvest Moon on the Switch Reddit:
Stardew Valley on the Switch Reddit:
Not to mention that the dev of SV is super active on Twitter and keeps everyone up to date on the game. Natsume on the other hand kinda drops a video now and then and then goes radio silent about Light of Hope until the next one. For those of us who want more farming games, then woot, you get more farming games. But the majority of the Switch install base hasn't shut up about SV since we learned about it's port. When we get info on the new Bokumono, people will probably also get really excited for it, but every time Light of Hope is posted about, it either gets downvoted to oblivion or ignored. People don't care about Light of Hope, they care about Stardew and the eventual Bokumono.
And i'm not totally dismissing Natsume, but let's be real here, the attempt to continue a long running series in their own way VS the literal homage to Bokumono. Natsume is trying but imo, not hard enough. They're on a long, uphill battle. And while all three can co-exist, it's obvious which ones are beloved while others are tolerated.
Case and point.
Harvest Moon on the Switch Reddit:
Stardew Valley on the Switch Reddit:
Not to mention that the dev of SV is super active on Twitter and keeps everyone up to date on the game. Natsume on the other hand kinda drops a video now and then and then goes radio silent about Light of Hope until the next one. For those of us who want more farming games, then woot, you get more farming games. But the majority of the Switch install base hasn't shut up about SV since we learned about it's port. When we get info on the new Bokumono, people will probably also get really excited for it, but every time Light of Hope is posted about, it either gets downvoted to oblivion or ignored. People don't care about Light of Hope, they care about Stardew and the eventual Bokumono.
Sorry not to distract from your point, but this was the first comment I read there and found it quite humorous.Bluie wrote:
Harvest Moon on the Switch Reddit:
Oh my gosh. I can't believe they've done this. For everyone who wants to play harvest moon, I highly recommend a new beginning on the 3ds, it was the last harvest moon made by Namco with the real team behind it.
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Absolutely. I enjoyed TLV quite a bit, and often said it only had a few flaws that kept it from its full potential. Skytree fixed the vast majority of those flaws for me and was a superbly enjoyable game. I just enjoy games about growing plants, gaiz. Mostly because I can't keep them alive in real life.Samansu wrote:Agreed. I have only recently realized that the new Natsume games are fun if you go in with different expectations. Now I quite enjoy them! ^-^ They aren't my favorite, but I like designing my valley way more than I thought I would and the mutation thing is cool and fun! If nothing else I am excited to see where they go in the future!
I am all for criticism, I'm all for people expressing their tastes, but when it gets really nasty or just illogical, it frustrates me.