Pokémon Ultra Sun and Pokémon Ultra Moon

[Guest]

Happy to be of some help! I also remembered a few more things I forgot in my last post. If you take an alolan form Pokémon into ultra space it will evolve into its Kanto form. Ultra space is also full of Pokémon you can't find normally without trading from older games. You also get a special version of a certain Pokémon that you can't get in any other game if you can get first place on all the islands with mantine surfing. Not sure if it would be a spoiler for that to say what it is so I will just leave it at that

[Kikki]

No, it's actually quite helpful. I've seen a lot of opinions and ones that go into detail are pretty helpful, too, whether they are for or against, but an outright listing of what features are in Ultra that were not in the originals is very concrete info when it comes to decision-making. I don't know what all of it MEANS, lol, but I do understand enough of it to get a picture of how much has been added, and I'm sure others who've played understand the things I don't, like what BP is and so on. (I don't really need to know unless I actually play, I'm sure.) If anyone has been on the fence about purchasing Ultra, I'm sure this will be useful.

[Guest]

I just really wanted to chime in and let people know how many things were actually added in the new ones, and the story most certainly being different than the first ones. from what i have seen of peoples opinions and reviews so far, the majority of negative ones seem to be from people who havent actually tried the game out and are just basing their opinion on trailers or what they have read other people say, which to me is kind of sad. it would be nice if people tried things out before trying to say something is terrible

[Nightlight]

@ Fishy. Hey, I'm wondering if you could possibly clear something up for me about the Ultra Sun and Moon games. The Ultra games are kind of confusing to me, so if you could answer my questions I feel like that would be helpful.

I'm going to put everything into a spoiler tag because the answers may lead into spoiler territory (I don't really think they will, but better safe than sorry.)

Spoiler:

You've already mentioned the extra features the games have, but, honestly, I'm not very interested in those things, at least, not an extra 40$ interested. My lack of interest in those things and unwillingness to pay extra money for them is one of the reasons why I have never bought a 3rd version Pokémon game (I was gifted and owned Crystal, though.)

Normally, I would treat the Ultra games as just another 3rd version and not pay them any mind, but then there was the whole thing about how the story in the Ultra games was going to be really different from Sun and Moon's and, being a bit of a story nut, that increased my interest in the games and I started following them. But then the games came out and I started hearing about how the story was pretty much just Sun and Moon's with some minor differences, and how the only real different part was at the tail end of it.

However, you say that after a certain point the story is actually really different. How long do you have to play to get to where the story is different, and could you give me an estimate of how many hours long the "new story" is? Also, would you say that the new parts of the story are enough to warrant me buying one of the games even though I'm not very interested in all the other bells and whistles? (I'm sure I would have some fun with them if I bought one of the Ultra games, but my main, main focus is the story.)

[Guest]

I would love to try and answer that...if i could figure out how to get the spoiler thing to work. i put all my text in the spoiler brackets, but when i click preview its not actually in the spoiler box for some reason. I have no idea what is wrong

[Liliana93]

Not sure if going anonymous actually allows the use of [spoiler8][/spoiler8] (Remove the "8"), you might need an account though?

[Kikki]

That's right; Anonymous users are not able to use any of the HTML options, so spoiler tags, links, images...even bold font and so on...none of that will work for our fishies. And unfortunately PMing is not an option without an account, either.

However I looked at Nightlight's spoiler tag, there, and as someone who knows NOTHING about the original OR Ultra, none of that sounds the least bit spoilery to me. There was no request for story details, just for how many hours the new story would take up and an opinion on if the new story elements were worth the purchase price since the other features are not of interest to Nightlight. (Meaning all the value has to come from the added or new story.)

Making up an example of a possible answer, if someone came along and said 'if you add it all together the new content probably takes up about six hours and I loved it; I found it more interesting than the original and it added more depth to X Character or to X Plot Point that was in the original." (or insert whatever other non-spoilery opinions you want to imagine. I wrote what I did because I don't know any of the names of the regions or characters in the game, lol, not because I was trying to be vague.) I'd actually also be interested to know if someone who has played both enjoyed the original story or the Ultra story more. I don't think of a simple answer to that as a spoiler...it's just an opinion. Unless it goes into great detail about WHY it is better, I guess, so if major details are desired then it would definitely become spoiler territory.

But if anyone is really concerned, you could start your post with POSSIBLE SPOILERS, then skip a few lines (or a lot of lines, if you want) and start writing, just to give folks a tiny bit of room to avoid stumbling into story details unaware if they're just reading along automatically. I can't think of any other way that isn't ridiculously complicated. (Well, except signing up for an account of course, but I assume that was already considered, lol.)

I think that's fine, though that is just my opinion, of course.

[Guest]

i'm just really careful about anything that might spoil something for someone, even if i try to be as vague as possible because i know it could really ruin an experience for someone. for stuff like story of seasons i'll spoil the heck out of myself looking at every detail before it comes out, but for something with a real story, i avoid anything and everything that could possibly spoil anything new for me, and i like to be considerate of everyone else the same way.

i guess the only thing i really was concerned about was saying at what point in the story exactly things are totally different, because im not actually sure if that would spoil someone or not, but maybe im just being overly sensitive about it. i can say though first part of the game will definitely feel like sun and moon, with little sprinkles of hints about the bigger things that are happening as you go.

As for how long the story is after that point...that im not actually sure of. im that person who has to talk to every npc, and pick up every item, and explore every inch of everywhere i go to so its hard for me to just give an estimate on how long the story would be. i have read people say that the whole story for them took about 30 hours, but for me it somehow took 60 lol. I guess if no one will be bothered by me saying where the story differences really take a turn away from the original i will say that, and you can try to estimate based on what you remember from the originals. i do know the post game story stuff took me a couple hours to get through though.

and while they arent related to the main story in any way, the extra story and cutscenes you can find around all the islands are great. for example on the first island if you talk to a boy at night he will tell you about 7 mysteries of the trainer school, and then you can go solve each of the mysteries and you will get some story and cs with each of the mysteries you solve, and at the end you learn the truth about something that happened there. stuff like that is completely optional, but i liked learning more about the people and the world that i didnt know before. there actually is an optional cutscene like that you can get after you finish the post game episode, that does add to part of the story, but you have to rebattle the elite 4 a few times to trigger it.

in the end though if the difference in the main story is your only draw to the new games, im not sure how much i could recommend spending full price for something im not sure you would enjoy. i personally really liked the changes when they happened, and some of them actually had me pleasantly surprised, but i also bought the game for all the new features. if i was only going to buy the game purely to get a different story and nothing else, i may have held off for a discount

[Nightlight]

i guess the only thing i really was concerned about was saying at what point in the story exactly things are totally different,

Yeah, that question was kind of the main reason why I felt using spoiler tags would be the safest thing to do. However, I had forgotten that Anonymous Fish can no longer do those types of things. Sorry about that, Fishy .

I feel like knowing exactly where the story really starts deviate from the originals' would be really helpful for me so I can, as you said, try to make an estimate of how much new story there is on my own, but if you don't feel comfortable telling me that for fear of spoiling someone that's perfectly fine. Don't worry about it .

Regardless, thank you for replying, you were very helpful .

[Ronin19]

The story starts to deviate

Spoiler:

Right when you storm Aether Foundation to rescue Lillie and Nebby, so after the third island. I would say at that point, the story is roughly 75% the same.

[Nightlight]

^ Thank you very much for posting that, Ronin .