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I was reading a hm 64 remake wishlist thread and wondered if natsume could base it off their version of 64 or would marvelous have to remake it from the ground up?

I don't think they had to have permission for the VC version

Marvelous has the rights to the Bokumono franchise, Natsume had the localization rights until Xseed became Marvelous' USA branch.

If Marvelous decided they wanted to remake 64, it'd be all on them and Natsume would have no say in it. Natsume still owns the rights to their localized titles (and will remain to as long as the contract keeps being renewed) but nothing past that.

Excuse me, but we already have a perfectly good thread to talk about a potential remake - http://fogu.com/hmforum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=174105

nightshade2010 wrote:
I don't think they had to have permission for the VC version

And yet it's been up there on the eshop, uncontested for almost a full year, with no problem...
Seriously, this demonizing of Natsume just because "They stole the Harvest Moon name!" is getting stupid.
People have been begging for a virtual console release of HM64 for years, Natsume finally makes it happen and all you do is try to find fault with it. There are names for people that ungrateful...

Trurotaketwo wrote:Excuse me, but we already have a perfectly good thread to talk about a potential remake - http://fogu.com/hmforum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=174105

nightshade2010 wrote:
I don't think they had to have permission for the VC version

And yet it's been up there on the eshop, uncontested for almost a full year, with no problem...
Seriously, this demonizing of Natsume just because "They stole the Harvest Moon name!" is getting stupid.
People have been begging for a virtual console release of HM64 for years, Natsume finally makes it happen and all you do is try to find fault with it. There are names for people that ungrateful...

Trurotaketwo, they were just asking a question. You need to stop jumping down people's throats every time someone mentions Natsume's current position, maliciously or not. While you're entitled to your opinion, it feels like everytime a topic like this is brought up you become hostile, and this time it was completely unwarranted.

Probably the most logical explanation is they didn't know that 64 is on VC, not that they were whining about Natsume. Or that they were wondering if they could use the VC version for a remake. You need to chill and stop jumping to conclusions.

The OP already knew it is on the VC, they remarked that Natsume didn't need special permission to sell it there.

Read it again:

I don't think they had to have permission for the VC version

However what Bluie said in the second post still holds. HM64 in its current form belongs to Natsume and they can sell it as they please, but a remake would be entirely up to Marvelous.

Probably?

Natsume also owns the rights to Tale of Two Towns but Marvelous was still able to remake it, so I don't know why HM64 would be any different. I don't know much about copyright law, but I'm pretty sure Natsume's licensing rights are different from the sort of copyright MMV has on the games that they made. MMV can do whatever they want with the BokuMono games, it's just a question of whether any remakes can be localized under the Story of Seasons title, or if doing so would somehow impinge on Natsume's copyright (I presume not, so long as they don't use the same translation, but again, I know nothing of these things).

Marvelous did not remake Tale of Two Towns. They ported Bokujō Monogatari: Futago no Mura. believe it or not, thats a big difference.

And chances are it's a slightly updated version of the exact same port we got, since I honestly doubt Natsume handled the porting entirely by themselves.

Getaris wrote:Marvelous did not remake Tale of Two Towns. They ported Bokujō Monogatari: Futago no Mura. believe it or not, thats a big difference.

And chances are it's a slightly updated version of the exact same port we got, since I honestly doubt Natsume handled the porting entirely by themselves.

Ah, thanks for the correction. i r dum

The point I was clumsily attempting to make was that I don't think them letting Natsume translate a game takes away their rights to the game as developers. Bokujou Monogatari 2 still belongs to Marvelous before it belongs to Natsume, and they can do whatever they want with it.

Oh yeah, that's correct.

Marvelous can remake Bokujou Monogatari 2. And they most likely can publish it in different regions with XSeed under a the SoS name.

But since Natsume owns Harvest Moon 64, would they be able to remake it too? After all, Harvest Moon 64 and Bokujou Monogatari 2 are both the same game and different games at once.

I think it's an interesting question, but we won't really get an answer until it happens. If ever.

I'm pretty certain Marvelous owns the character designs. Natsume can technically use the names of characters like the Harvest Goddess (it's too vague to copyright), but they need original designs.

Natsume can't remake 64, 10/1. Honestly, I wouldn't want them to. I want full 3D and pretty graphics, which is something their titles lack thus far.

The best bet for a remake would likely be a fan-remake. I've wanted to see someone remake 64 with the FOMT engine tbqh, but making an original engine would be more viable. The only issue is that Marvelous could technically ceast-and-desist it. Emphasis on "could", because most companies don't. Even The Pokemon Company usually ignores hacks.

On the topic of VC, I am pretty sure Natsume owns the current HM64 and all pre-split titles in English. If xSeed provided a new translation, they would own that. On a similar note. Nintendo could probably release Rare's games on VC but I think it's too much of a grey area for them to bother.

Anonymous Fish wrote:I'm pretty certain Marvelous owns the character designs. Natsume can technically use the names of characters like the Harvest Goddess (it's too vague to copyright), but they need original designs.

Natsume can't remake 64, 10/1. Honestly, I wouldn't want them to. I want full 3D and pretty graphics, which is something their titles lack thus far.

The best bet for a remake would likely be a fan-remake. I've wanted to see someone remake 64 with the FOMT engine tbqh, but making an original engine would be more viable. The only issue is that Marvelous could technically ceast-and-desist it. Emphasis on "could", because most companies don't. Even The Pokemon Company usually ignores hacks.

On the topic of VC, I am pretty sure Natsume owns the current HM64 and all pre-split titles in English. If xSeed provided a new translation, they would own that. On a similar note. Nintendo could probably release Rare's games on VC but I think it's too much of a grey area for them to bother.

The problem is if they heard about it they'd pretty much HAVE to cease-and-desist due to copyright law. My brother explained to me why they went after Uranium for example (since you brought up pokemon) is because if they learn about them and don't do anything it messes with their copyright. So if they ignored once they heard about it and it got proven that could screw them over.

And honestly? HM64 held up surprisingly well but the BG probably is the worst in that game tbh. Mostly the ground and stuff because they have the weird blurred textures.

Uranium was a rarity. I used to follow Pokemon fan-games 8+ years ago and I remember entire forums dedicated to it. For the most part, Nintendo didn't bat an eye. Utanium's prequel game (Brown iirc) went unscaved for a long time. I presume Uranium either just received a bit TOO much publicity or there was some other issue with it.

Honestly, I just want a new translation for 64. It doesn't have an awful translation, mind you, but it has grammatical errors here and there and feels pretty dated. Good ol' 90s style translating. A full remake for Switch would be nice but is extremely unlikely.

Anonymous Fish wrote:Uranium was a rarity. I used to follow Pokemon fan-games 8+ years ago and I remember entire forums dedicated to it. For the most part, Nintendo didn't bat an eye. Utanium's prequel game (Brown iirc) went unscaved for a long time. I presume Uranium either just received a bit TOO much publicity or there was some other issue with it.

Honestly, I just want a new translation for 64. It doesn't have an awful translation, mind you, but it has grammatical errors here and there and feels pretty dated. Good ol' 90s style translating. A full remake for Switch would be nice but is extremely unlikely.

Yep, that's part of my point. That they likely won't do anything HOWEVER even if they don't want to/don't care apparently if they find out they have to though. That was my example because look it blew up and that's when they went after it.

As long as they don't see it or at least no one can prove it then they can ignore it, but with something that big it'd be too easy to go there's no way you know about it.

It was just a comment about companies ignoring fan games, like yeah they might. But if they find out and don't have plausible deniability they have to go after it. Informational post I guess.

So thanks for the answers ... so natsume could only put out the hm64 that they all ready have on the vc ....