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Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 07, 2020 1:30 pm
by Kikki
Each person would have to decide for themselves if Eda counts, there. Putting aside her not being your actual grandmother, I have two other reasons why, for me, she doesn't count as being the grandma version of the grandpa-set-up of these games. There's also the fact that I never actually liked Eda. I didn't dislike her, either; I was just completely indifferent to her...I had no feeling like she was my character's grandma at all, whether the game wanted me to feel she was or not.

There's definitely a particular a grandma-left-me-her-farm plot I'd like to see, someday.

Not gonna be THIS time, though, obviously. They've been quite clear that it was gramps and his buds who pioneered Olive Town. Grandma has been nowhere in sight at all, yet, that I know of. Makes me curious, though. Gramps must've died a while ago, for his farm to have had time to grow into a wild forest. But does this mean either your mom or your dad (probably your dad) was born in Olive Town? How long did they live there? Did they have friends among the residents?

It probably won't matter, but I can never help but think about things like that.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 08, 2020 5:19 pm
by Guest
Anonymous Fish wrote:No, I'm sorry but I can't agree with what's being said here in general.
I believe the game looks great, and seeing that it's a vast world perhaps they had to sacrifice a little on the graphics department to improve the execution of the game (yes, yes. We know about the FPS drop in the sprinkler scene. Yet, the game is still in development and the trailer has been probably recorded from a virtual console or something of the sorts). But to some users here it is nearly not enough.
You guys are asking the sun and the moon from a game that is quite niche, and it can luckily overpass 500.000 copies in it's most popular game, worldwide. This ain't a million copies game like others, and it's not backed up by Nintendo like some big titles like BoTW, AC:NH, so on and so forth.
Heck, even games like Pokemon Sw/Sh (+18M copies sold, at 60$ + a DLC of 30$) from a multimillionaire company has been criticised for it's lacking graphics, FPS drop, awful online, lifeless and reused animations and many other reasons. If a game that big has lacking graphics, what can you expect from a more niche game that even some people in the Direct believed to be a copy of SDV + AC:NH? I guess that example can explain you how unknown it is.
Yeah, sure. SDV did good, but SDV got released at a time where indie games were going strong, plus being in the PC and having a low price helped it, alongside other promotions it got. SoS/HM could never dream to have the sales SDV has gotten, and yet some people keep on demanding, and demanding, and demanding when I believe they are doing their best to give the players a good experience.

When did the fandom become so entitled? I've been lurking here for a long time, and I always thought HM folks were understanding and they'd be like "Well, let's give it a try even if I'm not convinced!" or "It's still in development, let's have hope that the devs want to give us an enjoyable experience" but what I see is lots of "uwaaah, the graphics are "bad" and there are no portraits, uwaaah, not buying". This kind of attitude doesn't help the series. If it's own fanbase doesn't give it a chance, who is gonna do it? :(
I’ve been in the fandom since 2006-2007, though the last game I played was Animal Parade. I like how the fandom is being more vocal nowadays. It’s always been pretty passive but we should be vocal about our complaints, even if Marvelous will never listen.

The complaints aren’t new anyway. Casual fans are often vocal in their dislike of “newer” games. “Newer games” essentially means “Everything after Sunshine Islands” from what I can tell. There’s a complaint that the series went downhill when Wada left... One of the appeal of indie farm sims like Stardew Valley is how they pander to older fans. I’ve heard many erroneously say that SDV is a dark SOS, when most of it’s dark elements were also in older games like AWL and 64... Heck, Animal Parade had a lot of dark elements too, but everyone forgets them.

Being a small budget game doesn’t mean anything. Some games with small budgets have a lot of content and stellar graphics. Heck, AWL and STH look great despite being early PS2/GameCube era titles. Somehow, this game has worse models than AWL... It’s just the way they’re designed, not the models themselves. It’s very 3DS style, not console style.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 08, 2020 5:34 pm
by Nurse Fin
Kikki wrote:Each person would have to decide for themselves if Eda counts, there. Putting aside her not being your actual grandmother, I have two other reasons why, for me, she doesn't count as being the grandma version of the grandpa-set-up of these games. There's also the fact that I never actually liked Eda. I didn't dislike her, either; I was just completely indifferent to her...I had no feeling like she was my character's grandma at all, whether the game wanted me to feel she was or not.

There's definitely a particular a grandma-left-me-her-farm plot I'd like to see, someday.

Not gonna be THIS time, though, obviously. They've been quite clear that it was gramps and his buds who pioneered Olive Town. Grandma has been nowhere in sight at all, yet, that I know of. Makes me curious, though. Gramps must've died a while ago, for his farm to have had time to grow into a wild forest. But does this mean either your mom or your dad (probably your dad) was born in Olive Town? How long did they live there? Did they have friends among the residents?

It probably won't matter, but I can never help but think about things like that.
Oh nice, I’m not the only one completely indifferent to Eda. The game pushes hard at giving her a connection to the protagonist but she hardly exists to the rest of the town once the intro scenes are over, which is maybe why she fell flat for me.

If we have another farming granny in the future, I’d like to see a tough-as-nails farming matriarch, who may have her family working the field but still manages the bulk of the business (like, since there’s often an “inheriting grandpappy’s farm” premise, she could have been an old rival still surviving or something). That would be new, but unlikely to happen in this installment. Bonus points if one of her grandkids is a potential love interest... and then in a hilarious twist of fate you end up being related. now that’s a whole other type of “rustic country living” :lol:

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 08, 2020 7:14 pm
by Kikki
Eh heh, yeah. :) I always feel a bit alienated by how much everyone else loves Eda, cuz I was never moved by her at all. No feelings for or against her.

I live in a very farmy area, and my own grandpa (and my dad, for that matter) was a farmer, too. I know a lot of old gal farmers. Now, they're all farmers because of who they married, but even so, they are crazy tough and capable ladies. Even more than their husbands, somehow, as many of them not only did farming work, but also did most or all of the household work on top of that.

I'd like to have a grandma farmer in these games who was not a farmer's wife (or widow), but was, herself, the farmer and farm-owner, and who all the villagers have great stories about even years after she's passed away. It's not one of my get-out-my-picket-sign issues or anything, but I would definitely really like to have it happen in one of these games, eventually.

I, uh, don't wanna romance my cousins, though, lol.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 08, 2020 10:48 pm
by Arcy
I really did love Eda although playing older games in the series you know what is going to happen to her. I went out of my way to see all her rival events ASAP. In year two when you can lay bouquets kind of broke me. And in a way I am kind of glad the other villagers don't mention her too much, because when they do I just get sad all over again. There ARE specific lines that you may never run into playing casually that mention Eda, like extra festival dialogue.

Megan from Trio also had a high attachment value to me, she seems like exactly the kind of tough farming grandma I'd love to have. Although her fish thing is super weird. :lol:

I loved Trio for having the MC have a canonical family with events and letters and visits, I think it would be a good spin in a future game if your grandparent(s) just retired and lived somewhere else within the town while you revived the old family farm. Parents and grandparents (and characters that are obviously supposed to be parent/grandparent stand-ind) dying as something to really kickstart the story is so old and boring to me.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 12:12 am
by RodCopper Fishin
Arcy wrote:I really did love Eda although playing older games in the series you know what is going to happen to her. I went out of my way to see all her rival events ASAP. In year two when you can lay bouquets kind of broke me.
Wait, you can lay bouquets at her grave?! Omg I have to try!

I’m getting more excited each day for this game. Hoping for more news soon. Personally, I wanted (and expected) one more 3DS installment. Anyone else feel the same?

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 3:31 am
by Kikki
Actually, I'm more surprised by how long it took them to get the first Switch game out...we'll be 4 years into its lifespan when Olive Town is released. I wasn't at all expecting another 3DS game. I certainly would have played it if there had been one, but I'm kind of glad there wasn't, because if they took 4 years after Trio, imagine how much longer we might have had to wait if they'd done yet another 3DS game before moving to the Switch.

We got 3 games on 3DS and...5 games on DS? It's not looking like we'll get more than 2 on Switch. Though if they develop for it late, maybe 3. And now that they have done their first game, if they're going to be sticking with this graphic style then the next one probably won't take as long.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 6:24 am
by Guest
I’d rather have 2 or 3 good console games than 4 to 6 more mediocre ones. Prior to the DS, most consoles only had two games at best. Even then, DS, Cute, SI, IOH, and SI reuse graphics.

How many teams do the SOS games? We’ve had three titles in five years that don’t reuse graphics, which is impressive. If we do get another remake, it’ll probably not reuse graphics as well.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 7:15 am
by Arcy
There was one more installment on 3DS, it just never came here. The plus version of Tale of Two Towns that Marvelous released in Japan only in 2017. It had some QoL improvements, Streetpass features, other extra things added, and DLC content. The timing was just inconvenient because NA 3DS support was dead by the time they could have localized it. I know Natsume also released their own... uh, disimproved version (it was kind of notorious for having a lot of bugs) of Tale of Two Towns on the 3DS back in 2011 that could have legally complicated manners.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 12:10 pm
by RodCopper Fishin
True, the DS had a long life, so it had a lot of games. I’m also surprised that we’ve waited this long for a Switch installment! I wonder how many we’ll get during the Switch’s life.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 7:21 pm
by Anonymous Uma
I like the idea of cultivating the land and the level of customization. The horse is very cute! Customization is one of the most important things to me, and while the look of the cows is not my preferred style (really not too into that style of cow lol), it looks like it has potential to me.

Hopefully there are horse races xD

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 09, 2020 8:55 pm
by cinnamon_yuki
RodCopper Fishin wrote:True, the DS had a long life, so it had a lot of games. I’m also surprised that we’ve waited this long for a Switch installment! I wonder how many we’ll get during the Switch’s life.
My theory is that they probably took some time in developing in a console version of BokuMono. It's been a while since they did console BokuMono games since so far, they release on handhelds. But I'm not a developer though so I don't know how complicated it could be transitioning from handheld to consoles.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 10, 2020 2:35 am
by Kikki
There's also the fact that Hashimoto split off into his own subsidiary (Hakama) along with all the 'like-minded colleagues' (if I am remembering the phrasing correctly; it's been a few years, now!) It may have been right in the middle of a new game being developed. The news came out around mid 2018, but I think he may have split off more at the beginning of 2018. Can't remember, now. I don't know how many people in this thread are new to Fogu since then, but if you weren't here, there was a pretty big furor when Hashimoto left the home team, wondering what on earth would happen to Bokumono after that.

Of course, part of the result is RF5 will be out in May in Japan. The other part, though, we're only seeing now: Olive Town. A Bokumono made without Hashimoto's influence.

They may have had to scrap a lot and start over, or hire a bunch of new people, or at least learn how to continue on without a good amount of the team that used to work on Bokumono. Naturally, we don't actually know that. Well, *I* don't, and unless we've got an insider who is friends or a relative of someone working at Marv JP, probably no one here could possibly know what they were doing at that time. We only know that Hashimoto left with a bunch of others around mid-2018. I personally feel that this must have contributed to the wait for a new game.

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 10, 2020 11:33 am
by Ronin19
Has anyone else noticed that they're reusing sound effects from Story of Seasons Friends of Mineral Town?

I just find it funny that, once again, a Mineral Town game set the sound effects for the games to come after it. (The GBA's FoMT sound effects are present pretty much in every DS and, I think, 3DS Bokujou Monogatari game)

Re: Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town announced!

Posted: Nov 11, 2020 12:15 am
by JustABeautifulGuy
My only fear is the gameplay at this point. I really hope we get the console level charm that was present in AP. I truly fear that the game sequence might end up too linear and just lifeless now that there is a new team whose focus probably might just be pandering to a different audience than to the audience like me.