Talking About All Farming Sims Romantic Dialogue Issues.

All other video games not related to the main farming series - Pokemon, Stardew Valley, My Time at Portia, and other indie-developed games.
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Kikki wrote: Jul 11, 2025 4:16 amI was too tired last night to gather the tiny scraps of my IQ to tell you why I find this reply so disingenuous. Or flippant. Or just not understanding of how it really is, I suppose. I don't know you IRL, and I can't read your mind, so I don't know if you were deliberately belittling or overlooking the obvious flaws in that idea.
Sorry :oops:

I just went with something I heard about some asexual people and inappropriately generalized it. I probably should have known better. Yes, not all asexual people are the same.

Now I want to say that I still don't quite get what kind of relationship you're looking for. But that's not really true either. I've had similar thoughts myself. I just didn't make the connection to this context.

I've had some mean thoughts about games that ask you to choose a "partner", and then don't bother revealing whether that partnership is going to be romantic or platonic (which can sometimes be basically random based on what character you choose) until after you've made your choice. If there's a linear plot and my character has feelings of his own, fine, I'll just keep playing and find out what they are. But if the game is asking me to confess my feelings, I should actually have a clue what feelings I'm confessing to. Otherwise it feels like signing a contract without reading it first.

The main issue is why a nonromantic relationship would need to be "exclusive". Many stories feature a group of three or more people who all have a closer relationship with each other than most real-life friends, or a character who has both a spouse and a platonic best friend. (Sometimes the platonic relationship may even be the more emotionally intimate one of the two, though that tends to be seen as sexist nowadays.) But I do get the point. It'd be silly if you could just get that level of intimacy with everyone in town, let alone if the game expected you to. The main thing I like about exclusive relationships, romantic or otherwise, is how it lets the player make interesting choices instead of just grinding for 100% completion.
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That's okay, Milo. Almost no one really 'gets' it. And I know what you were getting at, it just really triggered my frustration over these things I know are possible, yet are so out of reach because of no one getting it.

And I can't speak for asexuals. Yeah, I am one. But no one elected me our leader or spokesmodel. All I can do is try to explain what I'd really want from a game when it comes to...hmm. I'm going to call it MY kind of romance, I guess. Because romance was never actually supposed to be equated specifically with « Chicken Hugging » or non-platonic relationships.

So, what I would want. What I'd like to see games offer, in relationships. There's a lot, because not just what I'd want IRL that I'd like to see, but stuff I think it'd be fun to experience in a fantasy setting, which is often NOT what I'd want to go through IRL.

But for what I WOULD like to see in a relationship IRL...
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Okay, I had a best friend. I loved her just...so, so much. I had NO sexual feelings for her. In fact, I think that even with NO physical desire, you can still sort of have a physical orientation, because while I'm repelled by the idea of « Chicken Hugging » with ANYONE, it's only thinking of it with girls that I get the outright heebie-jeebies. With guys it's just...yuck, no thanks. It doesn't raise goosebumps of ick.

However, the ONLY people outside of my family that I've ever really loved have been female. I think it's just easier for me to be emotionally close to women. (Contrarily, I think it's probably easier for me to be physically close to men, except that I don't want to be physically close to ANYONE, except when I need a hug, and my sisters or my mom will do nicely if I need one of those, they're all cute squeezable pumpkins.)

I'm explaining that part just to clarify that really, NOTHING of that sort of physical. Not just 'no thanks', but 'hell, no'.

So, my best friend. We were side by side, all through high school, and we lived together in college. Afterward, I moved from my town to the city, just so that I could be nearer to her, who was trying to get a career going, when meanwhile, I've never put any value in career so I had always been perfectly happy where I was. (I didn't tell anyone that's why I did it...because it's not like I wanted to marry her in any traditional way and no one would have really understood me, would they? They would have thought I was a lesbian, and I'm not okay with being misunderstood as lusting after a woman, no matter who it is...and it's funny, but I bet that to this day, no one knows that's why I decided to move of my lifelong hometown. It felt so obvious to me that if she was there, I was supposed to be there, too.) I just...wanted to spend all my time around her. And I wanted to do stuff for her. I wanted to be able to stick a bouquet on her front door when I knew she'd been having a bad day, like I did once when we were college and it just cheered her up so much that I felt like my existence had a purpose. Or go with her and find clothes that looked good on her and spend a day helping her replace the clothes she lost in the fire, so that we could pull a fun day/memory out of that awful accident. Making her feel loved/secure/happy was...what adjective do I even use? It was the best feeling.

Well, anyway. She is NOT asexual. And she dated. And eventually, she got married. I helped her boyfriend set up his proposal to her, I threw her bachelorette, I did much of the setting-up of the bridal shower, and I dealt with the insane in-law situation on the week of the wedding that traumatized all of us. I drove the getaway car for my friend and her hubby-to-be.

It's not like I wasn't jealous. Any time I first heard she was genuinely into someone, I got a pang. An 'oh, no!' feeling. I didn't WANT that person to come into her life, because it meant she wouldn't be MY person any more. It would mean she'd become his, and my importance in her life would shrink. I hated it. But it was the situation I hated, not really the men. I never had a bad relationship with any of her friends or boyfriends, because I knew it wasn't my business to show feelings like that, because she loved me, but she was waiting for a married life, and children, and things that I had no interest in. I would have been willing to raise kids with her, surprisingly, but how would THAT have worked? She was physical, too, and I wasn't. It just wasn't possible for me to be the one she chose, to be her one best person throughout our lives. I knew that, and knew I had to just take what I could get. I had to just be her best friend, even though that title felt so inadequate and unprotected. It would be lost when the more important one came along and I'd just have to be supportive and pass her on.

Which I did. And I gave her presents for her babies, because her babies became the most important thing to her and the best thing I could possibly do for her, then, was to do something for them. But I was years out of the picture already, when the first one came along. Because that's how it goes.

Oh, this spilled milk. But we're not allowed to cry over spilt milk, I hear. Then let's just suck it up and move on. (Not the milk. Leave the milk where it was spilled. Sucking it up would be gross.)

I wonder if blabbering all of that helps anyone understand what I want to see. I want to be able to choose a digital person that will chose ME (my little avatar that lets me experience fantasy situations that I can't, IRL) to be their most important person, forever. The one who goes to the hospital with them, gets the call first, organizes the party that they don't actually want to go to (I hate parties), buys the flowers, hears the secrets, pats the back, gives the best hugs, sees the bedhead, finds the lost earrings.

WHY does it have to be exclusive? Well...it doesn't. Physically. I don't feel any need to control what she does with her body. If she (or he) is safe and happy, then sure, go ahead and have a physical relationship with someone else. But emotionally, YES, I want exclusivity. Only I get to be that most important person. You can guess how well that works, I bet! Exclusivity becomes a requirement, because otherwise, the other person's center of gravity will shift, and I'll be the one pushed out of orbit.

Bye-bye, me...enjoy your solo float through space.

Well, and so I do. I like being alone. Good thing, right?

But even in a game, there's no wish-fulfilment for me, huh? I'm not allowed to want something so weird as to just be the most important person in the world to one person, without ever having to sleep with them. I have to either want a traditional relationship, a LTBQ relationship, or NO relationship. Gaming knows no other options.

This is what I mean, when I say that I'd like to see more options in marriage. I don't need to call it marriage at all, that just happens to be what people immediately understand, for a dedicated relationship not meant to be supplanted by anyone else.
Though...whatever. I can enjoy the traditional marriages in these games, if the character I chose has dialogue that shows them to be the kind of person I'd like to know.

Which brings us more squarely back on topic. I do love good dialogue and having lots of good stuff after marriage really deepens the playability duration.
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Kikki wrote: Jul 16, 2025 4:56 amWith guys it's just...yuck, no thanks. It doesn't raise goosebumps of ick.
I... do not think I understand the nuance that separates "yuck" from "ick".
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Milo wrote: Jul 16, 2025 2:17 pm
Kikki wrote: Jul 16, 2025 4:56 amWith guys it's just...yuck, no thanks. It doesn't raise goosebumps of ick.
I... do not think I understand the nuance that separates "yuck" from "ick".
It's not the difference between yuck and ick, it's that one raises goosebumps of distaste, while the other is just plain distaste. One strikes me as completely unnatural (for me), while the other is still undesirable, but not unnatural.

In case it sounds like I'm making a more general proclamation: nope. Just how I feel about doing these things myself.
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